2012 Feed the Children 300 @ Kentucky Dicussion Thread

[beanboy89]

Really dislike most 1.5 mile races with long green runs and you end up with less than 10 lead lap cars. Austin definitely had the car to beat, unfortunately nobody really had a shot to challenge

I actually like when that happens. I like when NASCAR lets the race play out on its own and doesn't throw any arguably phoney debris cautions. It gives the races an old-school feel to them. Watch any race pre-late-1990s and you'll see that it was an accomplishment to finish a race on the lead lap.

[David24]

I think the win should be taken away. He won with an illegal car so why should he get the points for it.

[beanboy89]

NASCAR doesn't typically take wins away in the top-three national touring series. They only give monetary and point penalties. I think the penalty for the #3 will probably be something to the tune of 15-20 owner's/driver's points and $50,000-$100,000.

[Mike Henry Jr]

With the new points system I don't think the point amount is that big anymore. Not sure though.

And how many wins would Jimmie Johnson have taken away if that were the case? Lol

[David24]

Someone put it exactly how I see it. I couldn't say it any better myself.

What irks me is, I feel they should take the win from him. It seems pretty black and white to me. You won the race, but failed post-race tech. So the car you drove to beat everyone was illegal. Why should you be able to keep the win when you wernt playing by the rules?

[Phathead]

Someone put it exactly how I see it. I couldn't say it any better myself.

I agree with that quote

[Legacyofthe24]

The win's not gonna get taken away. That's ridiculous to even say that. If that's the case then why is this any different than what happened to Bowyer at NH a couple yrs ago as it relates to RCR. He failed post-race tech but his win didn't get taken away. You can come up with a laundry list of drivers whose wins should be taken away b/c of failed tech afterwards and even Jeff would make that list.

[Setzer85fan]

With the new points system I don't think the point amount is that big anymore. Not sure though.

And how many wins would Jimmie Johnson have taken away if that were the case? Lol

I'm pretty sure it would be none. Most of the times Chad's been busted have been before the race. The only time I can remember there being a problem with the car after a win is Dover the one year with the shocks. But that was a Daytona issue with it being within the rules and Nascar not liking it. But I don't think they did anything to Jimmie or Chad.

Anyway this doesn't surprise me they won't take the win away. The only series they will do it in is the K&N series. By the way can anyone tell me the last time NASCAR DQ a driver/car? The last one I can think of off my head is I think Johnny Sauter in the 1 car at Texas. Not sure what year that was.

[sterla]

I think the win should be taken away. He won with an illegal car so why should he get the points for it.

quote, he win with a cheater car and the last rookie winner must remain montoya at mexico city
if victory remain nascar must drop 40 points

[Little E Fan]

I don't even know why people are really saying the win should be taken, when NASCAR hasn't done that in the top 3 series in over 30 years, if ever. This isn't even close to the first time someone's car was illegal after winning a race. I do see a 10 - 15, maybe 20 point penalty with some kind of a fine and maybe probation of something to the crew cheif, and it would fit tbh.

[STEVE]

quote, he win with a cheater car and the last rookie winner must remain montoya at mexico city
if victory remain nascar must drop 40 points

What about Piquet?

Also, what stops a team that's not running for points from racing with a car that fails post-race inspection but wins anyway? It would be nice to tell potential sponsors they've won every race (even if points penalties are given later).

I wonder what RCR's deal is -- I know Sadler has failed at least two inspections so far this year, too.

[WWEFan14]

I don't even know why people are really saying the win should be taken, when NASCAR hasn't done that in the top 3 series in over 30 years, if ever. This isn't even close to the first time someone's car was illegal after winning a race. I do see a 10 - 15, maybe 20 point penalty with some kind of a fine and maybe probation of something to the crew cheif, and it would fit tbh.

*Cough*Mark Martin*Cough*

Should the win be taken away? No. NASCAR already has a smoothly running penalty system. If you cheat, you lose points and money. It's as simple as that. Besides, if the win was taken away, where would he finish? The last car on the lead lap isn't much of a punishment, considering that would be 8th in this case.

[Nathan_Drake]

I don't even know why people are really saying the win should be taken, when NASCAR hasn't done that in the top 3 series in over 30 years, if ever. This isn't even close to the first time someone's car was illegal after winning a race. I do see a 10 - 15, maybe 20 point penalty with some kind of a fine and maybe probation of something to the crew cheif, and it would fit tbh.

The last time it happened was at Sears Point in 1991(?) or so, when Ricky Rudd punted Davey Allison and they took itts win from Rudd.

Quite honestly I'm surprised this is even a discussion. They are not going to take away the win. Period. Especially since the car is black with a 3 on it.

Yeah. I went there.

[Eighty-One]

I'm pretty sure it would be none. Most of the times Chad's been busted have been before the race. The only time I can remember there being a problem with the car after a win is Dover the one year with the shocks. But that was a Daytona issue with it being within the rules and Nascar not liking it. But I don't think they did anything to Jimmie or Chad.

Anyway this doesn't surprise me they won't take the win away. The only series they will do it in is the K&N series. By the way can anyone tell me the last time NASCAR DQ a driver/car? The last one I can think of off my head is I think Johnny Sauter in the 1 car at Texas. Not sure what year that was.

There was that whole debacle in the Busch race at Atlanta in 1999 when Skinner won, got disqualified, Blaney was given the win, then Skinner was given the win back.

[Little E Fan]

The last time it happened was at Sears Point in 1991(?) or so, when Ricky Rudd punted Davey Allison and they took itts win from Rudd.

Quite honestly I'm surprised this is even a discussion. They are not going to take away the win. Period. Especially since the car is black with a 3 on it.

Yeah. I went there.

I'm ignoring the 3 black car part of the post, but as for the Rudd thing, they technically didn't take the win away since they black flagged Rudd as he came to the line. In a weird way, like Robby Gordon had at Montreal and Johnny Sauter at Texas.

[gr8eske1]

I really don't think it will be a double digit point penalty with the new points system. If it is, it certainly won't be in the 16-20 range

[RncRacer]

I really don't think it will be a double digit point penalty with the new points system. If it is, it certainly won't be in the 16-20 range

It will be 15 points I imagine. It will certainly be a double digit penalty.

[Nathan_Drake]

I wouldn't be surprised if it were 25. 100 in the old system, which is what they gave out, pretty much equals 25 in the new.

[gr8eske1]

Dillon was 11 behind Sadler after Road America and is now 2 ahead of Sadler so wouldn't a 13-15 point penalty make sense?

[lefflerfan]

Dillon was 11 behind Sadler after Road America and is now 2 ahead of Sadler so wouldn't a 13-15 point penalty make sense?

No. You are incorporating the #2 team's performance from last night into the equation. That makes no sense at all.