Ford 300 Race Thread *Spoilers*

[NickHanson29]

Qualifying just now ended.. Kevin Harvick finishes off the season by winning his first pole of the year. JJ Yeley will be on the outside pole.

1. Kevin Harvick
2. JJ Yeley
3. Carl Edwards
4. Shane Huffman
5. Matt Kenseth
6. Bobby Labonte
7. Denny Hamlin
8. Clint Bowyer
9. Steve Wallace
10. Ron Hornaday, Jr.

Other noteables:

13. Brian Vickers
16. Dale Earnhardt Jr.
17. Brad Kesolowski :o
19. Kasey Kahne
24. Sam Hornish Jr.
31. Juan Pablo Montoya

[High Groove]

1. Kevin Harvick

:roll:

[speed29]

1. Kevin Harvick

:roll:

It's the first time this season.

[Anthony Wendover]

i was hoping kevin would get it. Was on the edge of my seat when the 2 and 64 went out oh and the 18

[8dalejr.fan]

Did I hear correct that the 21 team is the only team running a 2007 Monte Carlo body for this race? Is that even allowed? I know the 3-year limit, but since when can you run future bodies?

Next thing you know, a COT runs in a speedway body race.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Did I hear correct that the 21 team is the only team running a 2007 Monte Carlo body for this race? Is that even allowed? I know the 3-year limit, but since when can you run future bodies?

Next thing you know, a COT runs in a speedway body race.

i didnt hear that, but it'll be interesting to see if anyone cries about how they have all this money, so much infact that they can build and run an 07 bodied car :moon:

[speed29]

Maybe the TV crew f'd up?

[rjvracing]

[quote="8dalejr.fan":2dy3myz7]Did I hear correct that the 21 team is the only team running a 2007 Monte Carlo body for this race? Is that even allowed? I know the 3-year limit, but since when can you run future bodies?

Next thing you know, a COT runs in a speedway body race.

i didnt hear that, but it'll be interesting to see if anyone cries about how they have all this money, so much infact that they can build and run an 07 bodied car :moon:[/quote:2dy3myz7]

nah... he doesn't run for Roush... and while we're at it... whats with all the speculation of changing the points system due to a boring points race :moon:

[P_Fogel]

You heard it here first..... 2007 Chase for the Busch Series Championship. :hi:

[8ball]

You heard it here first..... 2007 Chase for the Busch Series Championship. :hi:

It should be better than watching Harvick win the Championship, what was it, 5 races before the end of the season? :roll:

[Phathead]

You heard it here first..... 2007 Chase for the Busch Series Championship. :hi:

It should be better than watching Harvick win the Championship, what was it, 5 races before the end of the season? :roll:

i thought that was cool. i mean if u're gonna kick ass, then seriously kick some ass. its like watchin football... if someones up 50-0, u wanna see them keep in the starters and see how high they can get it lol

[Tazz]

Wally: Half of the guys run the low line, half run the top, and others run in the middle.

[NickHanson29]

Wally: Half of the guys run the low line, half run the top, and others run in the middle.

I wonder if he just said that to be be a smartass or if he is really that stupid.. lol

[NickHanson29]

Hornish didn't wait long to flatten his car.. :o

[8dalejr.fan]

Again, Busch isn't on tonight here in Canada and it's the frickin season finale. :evil:

[Phathead]

Hornish is heading back the the IRL lol

[steve_moore]

I found a doll of David Reutiman . :roxs:

http://www.funshop.ch/catalog/images/artikel/23955.jpg

[WCPainter]

Did I hear correct that the 21 team is the only team running a 2007 Monte Carlo body for this race? Is that even allowed? I know the 3-year limit, but since when can you run future bodies?

Next thing you know, a COT runs in a speedway body race.

I heard the same thing during qualifying. I didn't quite understand it all, but they were talking about the rear of the car, and moving it around to get more air on the rear spoiler, for more downforce, I think its a rule change next year or something thats not mandated now.

[WCPainter]

Blah! Who cares about Jr! He is obvisoly not that good at the moment, no one cares, move on NBC. :tdown:

[8dalejr.fan]

Did I hear correct that the 21 team is the only team running a 2007 Monte Carlo body for this race? Is that even allowed? I know the 3-year limit, but since when can you run future bodies?

Next thing you know, a COT runs in a speedway body race.

I heard the same thing during qualifying. I didn't quite understand it all, but they were talking about the rear of the car, and moving it around to get more air on the rear spoiler, for more downforce, I think its a rule change next year or something thats not mandated now.

Yeah, that's when I heard it too. :-?

[Ben Althen]

Avadart reduces swelling in the prostate.

[Wingz]

Avadart reduces swelling in the prostate.

oh boy :roll:

Pretty good Race so far, still early.

[Wingz]

I am really starting to hate this TNT coverage....just sucks :-?

[alltel27]

Avadart reduces swelling in the prostate.

id rather use allstate :wink:

[Anthony Wendover]

harvick is running the new rules for next season using the offset of the body based of 2007 for the busch series.

[NickHanson29]

Oh man, huge engine failure on the 41!

[krazykarter7]

Holy :cen:

[Zone15]

Feel sorry for Reed and glad he is ok but that will make for some awesome pictures.

[Mike Henry Jr]

wow, thank god he's ok. that was pretty bad :o

[NickHanson29]

Haha, Biffle after his problem..

Crew Chief: Whatcha got buddy?
Biffle: Nothing.

:moon:

[topshelf22]

Is anyone else having trouble with the sound from the TNT broadcast??? Mine started out muffled now its completely gone. All other channels are fine.

I have Direct TV

[mike_84]

No sound here either, also got Direct tv.

[alltel27]

kyle busch :roll:

[Tazz]

harvick is running the new rules for next season using the offset of the body based of 2007 for the busch series.That explains why his car almost looks symmetrical.

[Phathead]

hey the 87 car is back :roxs:

[Wingz]

harvick is running the new rules for next season using the offset of the body based of 2007 for the busch series.That explains why his car almost looks symmetrical.

I thought that car looked a little different then the other Chevys in the field.

[topshelf22]

Sound is back.... :tup:

[Wingz]

Sound is back.... :tup:

not that I wanted to hear webber :lol:

[willh94]

I hope Benny Parsons is OK, he left unexpectedly early in the race to go back to his hotel. Hope he isn't feeling too bad.

[Wingz]

I hope Benny Parsons is OK, he left unexpectedly early in the race to go back to his hotel. Hope he isn't feeling too bad.

Yeah, that was odd for him to just leave like that, hope all is well.

[Tazz]

I wish Bill would go back to his hotel.

[Phathead]

I wish Bill would go back to his hotel.

i'd like to stick a curling iron up his :moon: and then plug it in...

[Tazz]

Caution comes out because Harvick was about to go a lap down.

[Mike Henry Jr]

sucks for kenseth. he had the best car, just the pit crew messed up. and this yellow aint helpin. dont know if his car will come in in time.

[Ryan Spaulding]

Kenseth giving up on the race, restarting 4th, with 30 or so to go... great attitude from a champion. Has no confidence in the car or himself.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Kenseth giving up on the race, restarting 4th, with 30 or so to go... great attitude from a champion. Has no confidence in the car or himself.

he takes after his mentor, mark martin :lol:

COME ON MATT! :roxs:

[Phathead]

Go Menard! Boo Buschwackers! Hooray Beer!

[Mike Henry Jr]

COME ON MATT! :roxs: :roxs: he's right there

[Phathead]

I wish Bill would go back to his hotel.

i'd like to stick a curling iron up his :moon: and then plug it in...

just need to say that again thank you

[Mike Henry Jr]

YES! Im an Edwards fan aswell as Kenseth.. But not only have I been a Kenseth fan from the beginning, he's had the better car.

But it aint over yet.

[Phathead]

who the hell u talkin to mike?

[8dalejr.fan]

Kenseth giving up on the race, restarting 4th, with 30 or so to go... great attitude from a champion. Has no confidence in the car or himself.

And now he's leading according to Trackpass. :oops: :lol:

[Mike Henry Jr]

the people who are thinking "i thought he was a roush fan" when i was rooting for one over the other.

bitch.

[Charli Brown]

When do the conspiracy theories start about "Ford Championship Weekend"?......

Martin Friday night....
Kenseth Saturday night......


:roll:

[Mike Henry Jr]

lets hope this is a little preview for tommrow. kenseth winning, and the 48 not even.... IN THE RACE! :o :lol: :roxs:

[Ryan Spaulding]

[quote="Ryan Spaulding":jth0gros]Kenseth giving up on the race, restarting 4th, with 30 or so to go... great attitude from a champion. Has no confidence in the car or himself.

And now he's leading according to Trackpass. :oops: :lol:[/quote:jth0gros]

When a driver says "well, that lost us the race" after a pit stop with more 30 to go, I classify that as giving up. He just had the best car tonight, which is why he was able to get back to the lead.

Congrats to Kenseth, but he needs to have more confidence than that.

[Mike Henry Jr]

race is over right? matt took the white?

yeah they just said it.. w00t! congrats kenseth :roxs: :roxs: :roxs:

[alltel27]

oh COME ONE NASCAR!!!! good god :roll: :roll:

[NickHanson29]

Well, time for Harvick to get the trophy.. again.

LOL

[Ryan Spaulding]

Uh, Alltel... there was a wrecked car coming out of turn 4. They have to throw the caution for a wreck.

Impressive burnout by Kenseth. Fire.

[Mike Henry Jr]

THATS AWESOME! he left two strips of fire :lol: :roxs:

[Phathead]

oh COME ONE NASCAR!!!! good god :roll: :roll:

what'd they do?

[Phathead]

btw that Mustang commercial is funnier than hell

[Tazz]

That's a nice burnout.

[alltel27]

oh COME ONE NASCAR!!!! good god :roll: :roll:

what'd they do?

sauter spun sideways and got it going again, but nascar threw the caution anyway.........thats the stupidest rule imo, on the last lap, you shoudl race to the checkered

[8dalejr.fan]

[quote="8dalejr.fan":2ra8cokl][quote="Ryan Spaulding":2ra8cokl]Kenseth giving up on the race, restarting 4th, with 30 or so to go... great attitude from a champion. Has no confidence in the car or himself.

And now he's leading according to Trackpass. :oops: :lol:[/quote:2ra8cokl]

When a driver says "well, that lost us the race" after a pit stop with more 30 to go, I classify that as giving up. He just had the best car tonight, which is why he was able to get back to the lead.

Congrats to Kenseth, but he needs to have more confidence than that.[/quote:2ra8cokl]

I was agreeing with you... I thought it was embarassing and funny that Kenseth doubted himself and his car and ended up winning lol :oops: :lol:

[Phathead]

oh COME ONE NASCAR!!!! good god :roll: :roll:

what'd they do?

sauter spun sideways and got it going again, but nascar threw the caution anyway.........thats the stupidest rule imo, on the last lap, you shoudl race to the checkered

did ya see how much smoke there was? that and it looks like he hit the wall as well...

[UGA24]

Nice Mark Martin hat.

[Tazz]

It's the last race of the year and Kenseth still doesn't have his own Pennzoil hat.

[Phathead]

My god... did Kenseth just make a joke?!?

[Ryan Spaulding]

oh COME ONE NASCAR!!!! good god :roll: :roll:

what'd they do?

sauter spun sideways and got it going again, but nascar threw the caution anyway.........thats the stupidest rule imo, on the last lap, you shoudl race to the checkered

The car had hit the damn wall... it was damaged and off the pace. If they instated the rule the way you just wrote it, they could have 30 cars piled up coming out of turn 4, and the leaders would have to race their way through it. Get over it, the rule is the rule.

[Mike Henry Jr]

It's the last race of the year and Kenseth still doesn't have his own Pennzoil hat.

lmfao :lol:

[Phathead]

Nice Mark Martin hat.

its a #6 and #17 Pennzoil hat

[speed29]

Nice Mark Martin hat.

its a #6 and #17 Pennzoil hat

So... nice 1/2 Mark Martin hat.

[alltel27]

ok, well if you guys dont wanna see a race, then be it, but i do. they should at least have a chance at a green white checkered

o well, congrats to kenseth :roxs: :roxs:

[NickHanson29]

:roxs:

[Ryan Spaulding]

ok, well if you guys dont wanna see a race, then be it, but i do. they should at least have a chance at a green white checkered

o well, congrats to kenseth :roxs: :roxs:

But you are complaining about how the rule is written, while people who work on the cars know the rules before the race starts, and play by them. Kenseth's car was dominant enough where I doubt a green-white-checkered would have made a difference.

[alltel27]

ok, well if you guys dont wanna see a race, then be it, but i do. they should at least have a chance at a green white checkered

o well, congrats to kenseth :roxs: :roxs:

But you are complaining about how the rule is written, while people who work on the cars know the rules before the race starts, and play by them. Kenseth's car was dominant enough where I doubt a green-white-checkered would have made a difference.

i get your point, it just kinda agravates me that they had to end the race with a yellow, menard and hamlin were really racing hard at the end and it might of been close

o well, im not gonna argue, im bad at it anyway :lol: :lol:

[Charli Brown]

Congratulations Kevin. :bigthumb:

As a Kevin Harvick fan let me first admit I'm embarrassed at how badly he whipped the Busch Series this year, but proud none the less.

Let's hope NASCAR addresses the problem of Cup drivers racing in Friday and Saturday races.

Let the man enjoy his Championship....They definately earned it.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Congratulations Kevin. :bigthumb:

As a Kevin Harvick fan let me first admit I'm embarrassed at how badly he whipped the Busch Series this year, but proud none the less.

Let's hope NASCAR addresses the problem of Cup drivers racing in Friday and Saturday races.

Let the man enjoy his Championship....They definately earned it.

cant let mark enjoy those friday wins though, eh? :lol: :moon:

[NickHanson29]

Only 1 more NBC race.. then only like 5 each year :roxs:

[Charli Brown]

Mike, I'm a realist. Kevin hasn't lied to me for three seasons now by promising me this year was his last year.

My resentment towards Mark is simple....he's lied to and deceived his fans. Plain and Simple.

I'm curious as to why you're not upset with him when he kept promising you as a fan of his that last year, no wait...THIS year....No, NEXT YEAR will be his last.

Do you really not see where I am coming from??

[Zone15]

Mike, I'm a realist. Kevin hasn't lied to me for three seasons now by promising me this year was his last year.

My resentment towards Mark is simple....he's lied to and deceived his fans. Plain and Simple.

I'm curious as to why you're not upset with him when he kept promising you as a fan of his that last year, no wait...THIS year....No, NEXT YEAR will be his last.

Do you really not see where I am coming from??

Just think about all of those poor saps that bought the "Salute To You" merchandise 2 years in a row only to have him come back for next year!

[alltel27]

you know that he will be driving a front row motorsports-like car in 10 years saying its his last year and having #34 salute to you merchandice :wink:

[Mike Henry Jr]

Mike, I'm a realist. Kevin hasn't lied to me for three seasons now by promising me this year was his last year.

My resentment towards Mark is simple....he's lied to and deceived his fans. Plain and Simple.

I'm curious as to why you're not upset with him when he kept promising you as a fan of his that last year, no wait...THIS year....No, NEXT YEAR will be his last.

Do you really not see where I am coming from??

no, i honestly dont see where youre comming from. im a huge fan of his (obviously) and i dont feel deceived.

whats the reason everyone hates kurt busch? ASIDE from him being a jackass? he had NO LOYALTY and LEFT a CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM. charli, MARK MARTIN did not change his mind, ROUSH RACING changed their mind and they needed him, so he stood by them and did what he could to help the team. if you take a close look at the headlines, obviously mark had finally dropped roush racing like a hot potato, moving on to a new team in the cup series, and not even doing any races for roush. not even in the truck series, they will be for the wood brothers. i think jack wanted more out of mark and mark finally had enough.

i think people getting mark martin and his loyalty confused with roush racing.

[Ryan Spaulding]

Everyone has their favorite drivers, but I think that Mark has deceived his fans with the Salute To You tour. It... Richard Petty only ran one 'fan' tour, Harry Gant only ran one 'fan' tour, Rusty only ran one 'fan'tour... but Mark has already run 2, and he is going to run a partial tour next year as well.

[Charli Brown]

Oooooh, Okay....So all along it's been the "Roush Racing Salute to You" tour??


Come On, Mike.... :roll:

[alltel27]

i thought kurt busch was fired after the drunk driving thing? or was he just suspended and then left?

[Mike Henry Jr]

also, if mark was running like crap and kept saying he was comming back.. then i'd be upset. but when he can still wheel a racecar just as good as anyone out there.. well, thats a different story now aint it? :lol:

[Mike Henry Jr]

Oooooh, Okay....So all along it's been the "Roush Racing Salute to You" tour??


Come On, Mike.... :roll:

:lol: mark wanted to retire, roush said okay. end of the year came and they needed him. so he stayed. that happend this year too.

is it REALLY that hard to figure out? i must be a friggin genious. :lol:

[Charli Brown]

Mike, if he wanted to retire.....

Why the heck did he sign with MB2?? and why is he driving a truck next year TOO??

Seriously, clear this up for all of us.....

[Elitemajik]

then why is he coming back to race with an non competitive team next year? he is going to end his career finishing in the back half of the field, sounds like a great idea mark :roll:

[Ryan Spaulding]

Mark Martin did change his mind. He had told everyone that 2005 was his final season. If Mark had any balls, when Roush needed him to come back this season, Mark should have said "no!" Honestly, I liked Mark Martin when I was growing up, he was a clean driver and very professional. But these last couple of years have really been quite unprofessional. Do you put in your two weeks notice at a job, and then they say "oh, but we need you so much," so you stick around? I know I haven't.

Also, think about his son... his father said "ok, I am not going to be gone every weekend starting next year," then changes his mind because Jack Roush doesn't have anyone to fill in that seat. If he were my father, I would have held him to what he said he was going to do.

Sure, loyalty is a great thing, but when it breaks a promise you make to your own child, you need to rethink your priorities and your loyalties.

[Mike Henry Jr]

probably because of money :lol: maybe he tried to get the same deal with roush? you know how roush is "we couldnt put that deal together for him." , this multi-car, multi-million dollar team cant put a deal together for someone who pretty much built the team?

maybe mark ventured out and is finally getting what he wants? after all this time? it really is a shame you guys are making him out to be the devil because jack roush is an a-hole. im a roush fan, but theres no way around that one.

[Mike Henry Jr]

big difference between loyalty and balls. and its a damn shame most people dont know the difference. some people arnt selfish and want to help someone who gave them decent compeditive cars for 19 or so years? i dont know, just an odd ball guess?

[Ryan Spaulding]

big difference between loyalty and balls. and its a damn shame most people dont know the difference. some people arnt selfish and want to help someone who gave them decent compeditive cars for 20 some years? i dont know, just an odd ball guess?

Yes there is a big difference between loyalty and balls - you have to have loyalty to your family to have the balls to tell someone who made you a star "no". Or you have to have loyalty to someone who made you a star to have the balls to tell your family "oh, I changed my mind because Jack needed me more than you do."

[willh94]

Cut the loyalty crap. If Mark had the "loyalty" to Roush, he would have stayed and run the :cen: truck next year like he PUBLICLY told EVERYONE he was going to.

Look, I respect the fact that you want to see him out there. I'm a Bill Elliott fan, I only saw him race once in person, then 3 weeks later, he announces he's running part-time. Which is what he has done. He stuck to his word.

Mark has PUBLICLY said "I'm leaving this year. Go buy the Salute to You merchandise, come see the races, say goodbye to me, since I won't be back" Then turns around and says...wait, I'm gonna run one more year. Then turns around again and says "I'm gonna run another year, and a few more after that." With another team no less. That's bull :cen:

Mark screwed Roush. Roush made their plans around the fact that Mark was NOT coming back next season. They signed a truck sponsor around Mark. They set drivers up for the #6 to replace Mark. Then Mark decides he wants to come back. Roush can't do it, so Mark leaves. The truck sponsor leaves Roush, and now Roush can't even figure out what to do with the #6.

[Mike Henry Jr]

maybe you missed the interview ryan, but he said he checked with his familiy first. did he not? they were okay with it.

wheres the argument now? that the lord that he prays to didnt want him to do it?

[Ryan Spaulding]

Read Will's post. I am done. This whole Salute To You, Parts 1 and 2, and next year's part 3 have annoyed me, because he won't let go.

[Mike Henry Jr]

JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

[Ryan Spaulding]

JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

Who cares?! I would think his own SON would need him more.

[WCPainter]

[quote="hrt_mike17":13j46dp1]JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

Who cares?! I would think his own SON would need him more.[/quote:13j46dp1]

What happened to being done?


I am done.

[Charli Brown]

Why would Jack ask him to come back, KNOWING FULL AND WELL Mark wanted to retire??

[Mike Henry Jr]

[quote="hrt_mike17":2punfkv0]JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

Who cares?! I would think his own SON would need him more.

What happened to being done?


I am done.[/quote:2punfkv0]

what happend with (like i said) mark checking with his familiy and them being OK with it

[Ryan Spaulding]

[quote="hrt_mike17":226x5qcd]JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

Who cares?! I would think his own SON would need him more.

What happened to being done?


I am done.[/quote:226x5qcd]

Yeah yeah... you got me on that one. Just pissed me off, because what Mike said means that Mark thinks Jack Roush is more important than his own son.

[WCPainter]

[quote="Ryan Spaulding":1o4q5z9o][quote="hrt_mike17":1o4q5z9o]JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

Who cares?! I would think his own SON would need him more.

What happened to being done?


I am done.[/quote:1o4q5z9o]

what happend with (like i said) mark checking with his familiy and them being OK with it[/quote:1o4q5z9o]

If Mark wants to race he should be able to, yea, the goodbye thing for 3 years is odd, but hey, he obvisoly did not plan to be around for 2 more years.





[quote="Ryan Spaulding":1o4q5z9o][quote="hrt_mike17":1o4q5z9o]JACK ROUSH said himself he needed him back! its like you guys watch this crap with the tv on mute.

Who cares?! I would think his own SON would need him more.

What happened to being done?


I am done.[/quote:1o4q5z9o]

Yeah yeah... you got me on that one. Just pissed me off, because what Mike said means that Mark thinks Jack Roush is more important than his own son.[/quote:1o4q5z9o]

He is probably anti-son because his son does not like the rap he does. Which is a good thing.

[Kari]

maybe you missed the interview ryan, but he said he checked with his familiy first. did he not? they were okay with it.

wheres the argument now? that the lord that he prays to didnt want him to do it?

What was his family supposed to say? No, Mark, you can't. And just because they ultimately agreed to it doesn't mean that his kid doesn't resent the heck out of Mark for making him make the choice of not having his dad around like dad has been promising for how long? A promise is a promise. Forget how his wife has to feel about it! Comes off as selfish to me.

And I won't comment on the whole last tour thing and all the merchandise his loyal fans bought only for it to be BS, regardless of the reason.

[Kari]

you really have no argument now, do you charli?

24.74.102.179

look familur?

I hope it looks familiar considering that I pay for the internet connection that he uses! If the only argument that you have is that our IP address is the same, I'd say you're the one that has no argument!

[Mike Henry Jr]

yeah, i was just informed of that. i still wouldnt listen to one word of that, knowing charli he has a gun to your head forcing you to say it.

[Kari]

Yes. I'm a complete idiot who has no thoughts of my own. Boy, I sure wasted all that money and the seven years it took me to get a law degree.

Get over yourself.

[alltel27]

mike, i think that the point that everyone is trying to make is that mark was gonna retire after 05, then publicaly made the announcement that he would retire after 06. then he comes around and says that he wants to come back part time in 07 in cup and a full-time deal in the trucks. roush couldnt set up a deal where he could run a competitive car for only some of the races. he left roush looking for a deal where he can run a part time schedule in cup, but in turn he lost the deal with the 6 truck.

originally mark wanted to retire, but once he realized that he would be missing so much, he wanted to stay. and over time people have gotten mad because he did lie to his fans. he didnt INTEND to lie, but the circumstances flew out of control.

mark wants to help his son, he does too, but not enough. the ideal situation is that mark could race some truck races this year and his cup schedule, maybe a few cups in 2008, and then call it quits, instead of going cold turkey

[RobbyFan]

Mark Martin lost my respect after the First "Salute to me!" Tour.

Jack Roush lost my respect in the 90's for screwing over Tommy Kendall.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Yes. I'm a complete idiot who has no thoughts of my own. Boy, I sure wasted all that money and the seven years it took me to get a law degree.

Get over yourself.

too bad with all that money spent and learning, you never heard of a "joke" before?

[WCPainter]

I think some people here need to go look at porn for a few mins....and chill..lol.

[Ben Althen]

This is my one post on this subject. Take it or leave it.

I have been a Mark Martin fan my entire life. So naturally I will defend him.

At Atlanta in the fall of 2004 Mark announced he would stip running Cup full time, so he could run a less demanding schedule. Never did he say he was retiring completely. If you can find something where he said he would be retiring alltogether, I will gladly eat my words.

From his press conference in 2004:
"Mark Martin Announcement, done in Full-time Cup after 2005: at Lowe's Motor Speedway on Thursday, Oct 14th at 1:30pm/et. Bill Weber hosted. On the stage: NASCAR's Mike Helton, Roush Racing's owner Jack Roush, Mark Martin and Mark's wife Arlene. Roush talked first about his history with Martin. Roush then announced that 2005 would be the last seasson for Martin in the #6 Viagra Taurus. Martin said he was not retiring, but 2005 would be he last season going for the Nextel Cup. Martin says the tour will be called "Salute to You" tour and he plans to race something in 2006, not sure what, and mentioned the Truck Series. See the Roush Racing site for Mark Martin to Make Final Run for NEXTEL Cup in '05 and Jack and the Roush Stable comment on the Impact of Mark Martin on Their Careers(10-14-2004)"

Notice how he said not retiring. Fast forward to Mid-2005. Roush is able to get Jamie McMurray, but he can't get out of his contract. Kurt Busch decideds to leave to go to PRS. Jack is stuck. What does he do? He turns to Mark. Mark decides to take the deal. Was it the best decision? No. Was it something that he wanted to do? We will never really know. I was not entirely happy that he did it, but what can I do? He decided to come back. Most Mark fans I know were very happy that he was coming back for another year and could have cared less about merchandise. (Ironically the people complaining here about merchanise wouldn;t be buying since they are not Roush fans, but I digress).

So Mark ends up coming back, ran like crap most of the year, but still makes the Chase. Runs part-time in trucks, runs very well. Runs some Busch, runs well. Mark wants to continue to run part time, since he never did retire, just from full time cup. An oppurtunity arises for next year outside of Roush, so he takes it. Guess what, he is doing what HE wants to do. Not what Jack Roush wants him to do. Do you think he didn't talk this over with his son and wife? Point being, he did what he wanted to do. To me it is petty that everyone is arguing over who said this, hes a liar, all making accusations when i'm pretty damn sure that NONE of us know the inside workings of this and have no idea how this really played out. You may call him a liar, you may call him a backstabber, you may call him a bad family man, but he is still my favorite racecar driver, and he is a damn good one. I could care less if doesn't have a championship, I could care less if it's in a Ford or a Chevy. I just like watching him race and have fun doing it. And if there is something wrong with someone still racing because he wants to have fun and enjoy it and the time he can spend with my family, then I'm not sure I'm watching hte right type of racing.

My 2 cents. Take it as you please.

[Ryan Spaulding]

Yes. I'm a complete idiot who has no thoughts of my own. Boy, I sure wasted all that money and the seven years it took me to get a law degree.

Get over yourself.

too bad with all that money spent and learning, you never heard of a "joke" before?

Mike, we both know you intended it to be a humorous way of saying "Charli is telling you to say that". Which I can assure you, he is not doing.

[Kari]

too bad with all that money spent and learning, you never heard of a "joke" before?

Oh I have definitely heard of a "joke" before. Too bad that what you said wasn't amusing nor funny. In fact, it was quite insulting. Because I'm a woman, I can't have any independent thoughts from Charli?

[Mike Henry Jr]

good job trying to change it into a sexist deal, that law school did you good!

im done. ben said it best, and thats that.