2012 Sprint Cup - #83

[rookiechamp]

Landon Cassill

[Tarkus]

It's not horrible, per se. I don't dislike it and it sort of works, but it is a bit on the plain side--of course, these are in the shop and it's possible they're not finished. I do like the number font, however.

[Richard Hammond]

Good to see BK is staying in the sport. Why they downgraded from a championship team to hand-me-down team is kinda beyond me....other than it being cheaper with more cars of course.

[JCTay]

mmmmmmm

no.

[Kevin_McAdams]

I want to think this is a prewrapped scheme. But I'm probably too optimistic.

[Burhead]

Good to see BK is staying in the sport. Why they downgraded from a championship team to hand-me-down team is kinda beyond me....other than it being cheaper with more cars of course.

It is like the Front Row operation, the owner has a ton of BK franchises and is putting the logos on for free.

[off the pace]

I really wish they would run different schemes on the 2 cars, this is going to be as confusing as when the 83 and 84 used to look identical. I was so happy when they switched the 84 to silver, and I think it helped give both cars a separate identity. Hopefully it's something BKR looks into. The scheme itself isn't too bad, kinda plain. Ive definitely seen worse BK schemes though... much worse

[nascarartist20]

I really wish they would run different schemes on the 2 cars, this is going to be as confusing as when the 83 and 84 used to look identical. I was so happy when they switched the 84 to silver, and I think it helped give both cars a separate identity. Hopefully it's something BKR looks into. The scheme itself isn't too bad, kinda plain. Ive definitely seen worse BK schemes though... much worse

You do realize that the whole front of the #83 car is white, while the front of the #93 car is dark gray... right?

[windsock]

These schemes are much less exciting than I had hoped. I'm not expecting something mind-blowing for a team that's throwing on sponsors without corporate backing, but a design of some sort would be nice.

[Stevie Richards]

These paint schemes are not appealing.

[NOLA88]

This is like going to BK and ordering a Whopper with extra cheese and then getting home only to realize they put NO cheese on your burger

It looks like the 83 is white fading into gray, while the 93 is gray fading into black.

[Kahne4RedBull]

although the schemes suck, atleast someone picked up the RedBull shop

[willh94]

although the schemes suck, atleast someone picked up the RedBull shop

Not the Red Bull shop, it's the Morgan-Dollar/Randy Moss shop.

[off the pace]

You do realize that the whole front of the #83 car is white, while the front of the #93 car is dark gray... right?

Wow. I totally did not. Shows how much attention I was paying. But I will stand by my statement that they do look too much alike in general, particularly the sides. Maybe run one white car and one black car? Hope this team does well...

[Richard Hammond]

Did not even know it was "Burger King Racing". At least now I will have another team to possibly root for simply out of association with the best fast food place in the world.

[WG_TRG]

At least now I will have another team to possibly root for simply out of association with the best fast food place in the world.

I do not see Wendy's on this car.

[STEVE]

I have a feeling a certain mmmmmmmember isn't going to want to take credit for these!

[Paul8]

i can say this now...

if what i got sent is final, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SHIT
Alright, come clean... was this your idea or what?

[penskefan]

Are the schemes really that bad? I think you guys are overreacting a tad.

[CJMearsGang13]

Anything that looks like a test car with decals is bad in my book, but there's hope that they were short on time and will have something for Phoenix.

[pjb4466]

Are the schemes really that bad? I think you guys are overreacting a tad.

Not even close to as bad as one mmmmmmember was suggesting.

[Bacs]

The #83 looks better than the #93....but that ain't saying much.

[ttucker77]

I like how the BK logo is stretched over the rear quarter panels. IMO, the numbers look like that someone stuck the base in iracing and couldn't find a decent number to use.

[beanboy89]

Somewhat reminds me of DW's Western Auto car.

http://i.imgur.com/8nx0u.jpg

[gr8eske1]

We could even see different schemes on the cars come the duels or 500, this may be just so they could get to the track for practice and qualifying

[RobbyFan]

Somewhat reminds me of DW's Western Auto car.

http://i.imgur.com/8nx0u.jpg

Just none of the awesomeness or design.

[texasam24]

I have a feeling a certain mmmmmmmember isn't going to want to take credit for these!

Very true..

[CJMearsGang13]

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[NOSphantom59]

I love how most ARCA cars look more professional than this team.

[JCTay]

Lol that is such a horrible scheme, an all-white car would've looked better than this. Probably the most amateurish design i've ever seen for a Cup team. Sad.

[sterla]

Is definitive?

[Richard Hammond]

I don't see how a simple gradient is so "horrible".

[WG_TRG]

It looks like they used an actual paint brush.

[Chris Owens]

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[JCTay]

I don't see how a simple gradient is so "horrible".

To me, theres so much more wrong with this car than just the gradient..Idk If you saw the proposed scheme for this team but you might see how horrible this really is compared to what they could've had.

[Richard Hammond]

There was a proposed scheme posted?

[mdterrapins37]

By no means do I like this scheme but it's hundreds of times better looking to me than the 93. I wish they put some effort into the look of the car. Performance is obviously the top priority but they have the opportunity to make an amazing paint scheme with Burger King on the car.

[JCTay]

Not publicly posted, but the designer who was doing work with this team showed me what he had. It was awesome and it fit Burger King's identity great. Idk all the details but they pulled the plug on the scheme last minute and went with..this apparently..

[Josh O'Brien]

step 1: use a wrap for the gradient.
step 2: use a text version of the logo on the quarter panel.

[David24]

I think it looks fine. It will probably run around the back anyway. The only issue I ave with the car is the number. And why is there no Sprint Cup logo?

[Donnie_87]

Doors numbers too small + rear logo too big = hideous.

[nwt0]

I still don't understand the lack of Sprint Cup stickers on this car and the 93.

[Matito29]

I still don't understand the lack of Sprint Cup stickers on this car and the 93.

Calm down, they're on the car now.

[ElvisOnFire]

Alright, come clean... was this your idea or what?

I want to see the proposal as well :) ANYTHING is better than this.

[STEVE]

I still don't understand the lack of Sprint Cup stickers on this car and the 93.
Don't they get those stickers after passing tech inspection?

[Matito29]

Don't they get those stickers after passing tech inspection?

No, that's the "NASCAR Race Car" sticker.

[ChevyTruck42]

http://www.southphillydiecast.com/images/inventory/410.jpg

Best Burger King scheme ever, too bad they don't go with something like that

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2359886770_51a3fc1d7d.jpg

I even liked this one at the time it fit the corporate colors

[ElvisOnFire]

I always loved Reautimann's 2007 scheme :) Elliott's 06 scheme was good too.

[rookiechamp]

Honestly, all of them but these (83 & 93) were pretty good schemes.

[Jelly]

Now that i'm back... HOW ABOUT DEM UGLY ASS CARS :D

[Jelly]

Here's what the proposal was...

http://i.imgur.com/Doquw.jpg (3000x2000)

[rookiechamp]

Loads better, would rather have a different number color though.

[NOSphantom59]

Loads better, would rather have a different number color though.

Agreed, I would have gone with red numbers.

[Richard Hammond]

Okay, NOW I understand why all of you are terribly disappointed.

[Stevie Richards]

I like the yellow number.

[beanboy89]

That's really nice.

[ElvisOnFire]

Simple, clean, and represents the brand well. What the hell happened??? ;)

[nwt0]

The proposal > The real car

[JCTay]

I wonder if BK said "Nah we don't want JD's car, its too nice of a car. We want cars so ugly that they'll get media attention for how bad they look..here my 12 year old son will design it!" Well done BK..you got us talking, and probably many others.

[Jelly]

I wonder if BK said "Nah we don't want JD's car, its too nice of a car. We want cars so ugly that they'll get media attention for how bad they look..here my 12 year old son will design it!" Well done BK..you got us talking, and probably many others.

The pitch agency, literally, got in the way. They shot down every idea and went with this, and the idea that they originally wanted to use seemed like they were trying to make a complete joke of the team. It did open my eyes on why the quality of designs in NASCAR have decreased. The middle man gets involved and ruins it. It is what it is, I'll take it as a learning expierence and rage by myself haha

[NOLA88]

Damn. That would have been the best paint scheme in the garage. I'm pissed now.

[OverKill0421]

Damn. That would have been the best paint scheme in the garage. I'm pissed now.

next to the 88 Diet Dew

[Jelly]

next to the 88 Diet Dew

mmmmmmmm haha

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3cdzkdej0uI#t=99s

[Phathead]

Here's what the proposal was...

http://i.imgur.com/Doquw.jpg (3000x2000)

Always was a fan of the base MBV ran in '05

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[Jelly]

Always was a fan of the base MBV ran in '05

oh u funny huh

[Phathead]

oh u funny huh

What? I'm serious, it went well the BK colors

[mdterrapins37]

Nice scheme. Too bad they didn't go with it.

[Ben Jeffreys]

JD, this 'middle man', who was it exactly? Was it a BK representative? I am just wondering if they chose this generic scheme because Burger King don't want a dedicated marketing presence in NASCAR via what is essentially a mass-franchisee entity. I can only assume that your scheme wasn't chosen as they did not want it to be aligned with their wider marketing strategy? You'll have more information obviously, but that is all that I can think of in this case. I think the selection of Travis Kvapil as a driver shows that there isn't much consideration to BK wishing to align with its target audience.

As for your scheme, the way everyone here talked it up - I was expecting something sensational. I don't personally think it is worth slipping on all the drool everyone has emitted - but it is a nice, clean scheme and a massive improvement over what they have selected. But for me, any Burger King scheme without flames is incomplete (though I know you likely had a brief to follow).

[martinfan05]

JD, this 'middle man', who was it exactly? Was it a BK representative? I am just wondering if they chose this generic scheme because Burger King don't want a dedicated marketing presence in NASCAR via what is essentially a mass-franchisee entity. I can only assume that your scheme wasn't chosen as they did not want it to be aligned with their wider marketing strategy? You'll have more information obviously, but that is all that I can think of in this case. I think the selection of Travis Kvapil as a driver shows that there isn't much consideration to BK wishing to align with its target audience.

As for your scheme, the way everyone here talked it up - I was expecting something sensational. I don't personally think it is worth slipping on all the drool everyone has emitted - but it is a nice, clean scheme and a massive improvement over what they have selected. But for me, any Burger King scheme without flames is incomplete (though I know you likely had a brief to follow).
Kudos on a well-written post...that actually made a lot of sense haha.

Some more information would be nice, because like what has been said, what's on track right now makes the team look like a joke. The proposed scheme was at least decent enough to lend some legitimacy to the operation.

[Jelly]

JD, this 'middle man', who was it exactly? Was it a BK representative? I am just wondering if they chose this generic scheme because Burger King don't want a dedicated marketing presence in NASCAR via what is essentially a mass-franchisee entity. I can only assume that your scheme wasn't chosen as they did not want it to be aligned with their wider marketing strategy? You'll have more information obviously, but that is all that I can think of in this case. I think the selection of Travis Kvapil as a driver shows that there isn't much consideration to BK wishing to align with its target audience.

As for your scheme, the way everyone here talked it up - I was expecting something sensational. I don't personally think it is worth slipping on all the drool everyone has emitted - but it is a nice, clean scheme and a massive improvement over what they have selected. But for me, any Burger King scheme without flames is incomplete (though I know you likely had a brief to follow).

The middle man was The Pitch Agency, who has done some artwork for BK before, I think. The first scheme was the one I posted. Then they threw this "Burger 'King'/'Knight" idea and they made me change the colors and the suit design. After that they shot down that one and went with the gradient and the silver suit. As far as a brief I had to follow, I didn't have any. I just wanted to stray away from flames.

Now according to 2 certain people, I blatantly copied a car from 2005. Not the case. It is funny how they won't say shit here but talk **** about me behind my back. Man up

[Ben Jeffreys]

Kudos on a well-written post...that actually made a lot of sense haha.

Some more information would be nice, because like what has been said, what's on track right now makes the team look like a joke. The proposed scheme was at least decent enough to lend some legitimacy to the operation.

Lol, thank you for the compliment!

Essentially, I am assuming that Burger King was in a tough predicament, as the investor appears to be one of the more prominent franchisee's they have in the United States. Thus, without wishing to alienate him - they probably worked an agreement to where he could fulfil his wishes to involve the brand he has so extensively invested in, but not to the point where there appears to be a clear ambition on the part of Burger King to be at the forefront of this opportunity. The franchisee has probably provided an assurance to Burger King that this opportunity will allow him to increase his turnover within the stores he operates.

I think that this 'middle man' was likely the advertising or branding representative acting on behalf of Burger King, that wanted to see a paint scheme and team brand identity that was so awful and misaligned with the values of Burger King, that there was no risk of any failure of this venture being readily traced back to the organisation itself.

The reason I say this is that in franchising, you are so tightly bound to the code of ethics and conduct you agree to when taking on a store - that any deviation from this (that is so evident in this situation) is normally followed by a heavy penalty or termination of your agreement with that organisation, unless there is a clear mitigating circumstance.

Hopefully JD can provide more information!

[Ben Jeffreys]

The middle man was The Pitch Agency, who has done some artwork for BK before, I think. The first scheme was the one I posted. Then they threw this "Burger 'King'/'Knight" idea and they made me change the colors and the suit design. After that they shot down that one and went with the gradient and the silver suit. As far as a brief I had to follow, I didn't have any. I just wanted to stray away from flames.

Now according to 2 certain people, I blatantly copied a car from 2005. Not the case. It is funny how they won't say shit here but talk shit about me behind my back. Man up


Sorry, I posted my next post just as you replied also... So ignore the 'Hopefully JD can provide more information' part.

I don't personally share the view of your scheme copying the one in question; it is just a bit basic for me in respect of the sponsor. But more objectively, if what I have said is actually right - I think what you provided would have been perfect. It almost has a Front Row Motorsports look to it, standard due to Bob Jenkins being a franchisee but sufficient enough to respectably convey the brand.

[martinfan05]

The middle man was The Pitch Agency, who has done some artwork for BK before, I think. The first scheme was the one I posted. Then they threw this "Burger 'King'/'Knight" idea and they made me change the colors and the suit design. After that they shot down that one and went with the gradient and the silver suit. As far as a brief I had to follow, I didn't have any. I just wanted to stray away from flames.

Now according to 2 certain people, I blatantly copied a car from 2005. Not the case. It is funny how they won't say shit here but talk shit about me behind my back. Man up
Thanks for the explanation.

No need to get upset dude...It's not like the guy who designed Dave Blaney's Ollie's car is being ripped on for "copying" Dale Sr's Goodwrench base...these things happen. Schemes look similar. That's all there is to that.

[Josh O'Brien]

Always was a fan of the base MBV ran in '05

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I'll always be convinced this scheme was stolen from a Coke C2 car I did in '04. The base is identical save the Valvoline colors, plus MBV suddenly changed their 10 to the same font as I used.

[Stevie Richards]

Do you have a pic of that C2 car?

[Phathead]

The middle man was The Pitch Agency, who has done some artwork for BK before, I think. The first scheme was the one I posted. Then they threw this "Burger 'King'/'Knight" idea and they made me change the colors and the suit design. After that they shot down that one and went with the gradient and the silver suit. As far as a brief I had to follow, I didn't have any. I just wanted to stray away from flames.

Now according to 2 certain people, I blatantly copied a car from 2005. Not the case. It is funny how they won't say shit here but talk **** about me behind my back. Man up

I do not understand how they could think the gradient look was, in anyway, better than the proposal you posted. But alas, most marketing people I know of only do marketing because they suck at everything else.

And I never said you blatantly copied a car and, in fact, I said I rather liked the look of yours. I don't think I need to "man up" by any means.

[Ben Jeffreys]

I do not understand how they could think the gradient look was, in anyway, better than the proposal you posted. But alas, most marketing people I know of only do marketing because they suck at everything else.

And I never said you blatantly copied a car and, in fact, I said I rather liked the look of yours. I don't think I need to "man up" by any means.

How dare you besmirch the good (ethical and transparent) name of marketers! Though you're right, there's a lot out there who still seem to think that sticking a poster on a wall is marketing - and are on pretty good salaries to make such 'qualified' decisions.

[Jelly]

I do not understand how they could think the gradient look was, in anyway, better than the proposal you posted. But alas, most marketing people I know of only do marketing because they suck at everything else.

And I never said you blatantly copied a car and, in fact, I said I rather liked the look of yours. I don't think I need to "man up" by any means.

https://twitter.com/#%21/phathead/status/172076477792256000 really

[RobbyFan]

Should send your design over to Roush Fenway, Valvoline would love it lol. Anything is better then the current Kenseth / Valvoline scheme.

[Phathead]

How dare you besmirch the good (ethical and transparent) name of marketers! Though you're right, there's a lot out there who still seem to think that sticking a poster on a wall is marketing - and are on pretty good salaries to make such 'qualified' decisions.

I know, I took a few marketing classes during my undergrad for my business degree and the actual "marketing" students were hilarious. Out of touch, unable to tell you whether something was yellow or purple and just generally inept... it was truly impressive at times. Our prof privately told me one day about how the quality of "marketing" degree students had drastically gone down hill the last decade or so. He partially attributed it to this generation being lazy due to things like photoshop.

[JCTay]

Out of touch, unable to tell you whether something was yellow or purple

Hey don't hate on us color blind people now :(

[Ben Jeffreys]

I know, I took a few marketing classes during my undergrad for my business degree and the actual "marketing" students were hilarious. Out of touch, unable to tell you whether something was yellow or purple and just generally inept... it was truly impressive at times. Our prof privately told me one day about how the quality of "marketing" degree students had drastically gone down hill the last decade or so. He partially attributed it to this generation being lazy due to things like photoshop.

Yeah, it is massively frustrating. A lot signed up due to the popularity that advertising had alongside the presumption that it was purely making funny commercials and posters - essentially a steal compared to those who took biology, mathematics, etc. All they wanted was a standard degree, it's difficult to work with those people.

Not wanting to take this thread off topic anyway - but I share your views on marketing students!

[youwish16]

i still don't understand how they, the pitch agency, chose to do an ugly ass gradient over JD's scheme. you know your car looks bad when mike joy makes fun of it.

i dont think i will ever understand this decision

[Stevie Richards]

Yeah, it is massively frustrating. A lot signed up due to the popularity that advertising had alongside the presumption that it was purely making funny commercials and posters - essentially a steal compared to those who took biology, mathematics, etc. All they wanted was a standard degree, it's difficult to work with those people.

Not wanting to take this thread off topic anyway - but I share your views on marketing students!

I hope people with marketing degrees have fun selling Amway.

[Ben Jeffreys]

I hope people with marketing degrees have fun selling Amway.

I hope that is not my path!

Though most won't go anywhere near selling, it's a different philosophy... Or so they try to say anyway. We do all the 'science' in the office and then the guys with Ray-Bann's and peak lapel suits handle the rest.

[STEVE]

I actually dropped out of community college while going for a degree in marketing. Never looked back!

Happily working at a web-focused marketing agency and doing websites and campaigns for some very well-known companies.

[Stevie Richards]

I actually dropped out of community college while going for a degree in marketing. Never looked back!

Happily working at a web-focused marketing agency and doing websites and campaigns for some very well-known companies.

I took one marketing class as an elective, and realized that what they try to teach you in the classes doesn't provide much real-world application.

[GoMatt17]

I took one marketing class as an elective, and realized that what they try to teach you in the classes doesn't provide much real-world application.
I had a very different reaction when I took mine as part of my Business minor. Guess it's got to do with school/teacher and potentially the actual class. I took mine and went, "Ah, I know so many companies who are getting it wrong and it explains so much."

[NOLA88]

I think that this 'middle man' was likely the advertising or branding representative acting on behalf of Burger King, that wanted to see a paint scheme and team brand identity that was so awful and misaligned with the values of Burger King, that there was no risk of any failure of this venture being readily traced back to the organisation itself.


While I understand everything that you have said in this thread, one thing does confuse me. If BK does not want people thinking they are putting any money into this team, then why allow the owners to name the team BK Racing? That is what confuses me, if BK has their likeness on a team's name, wouldn't they want the best looking cars they could get. It just makes no sense to have cars that look like that under your brand.

[funnygotback61]

I always loved Reautimann's 2007 scheme :) Elliott's 06 scheme was good too.
I agree with you there, Elliott's 06 scheme was awesome!

[Ben Jeffreys]

I had a very different reaction when I took mine as part of my Business minor. Guess it's got to do with school/teacher and potentially the actual class. I took mine and went, "Ah, I know so many companies who are getting it wrong and it explains so much."


I have a MSc and BA in Marketing, and whilst some of it was useful - I found most of it to be filler that you'll never use again. I mainly went for the MSc for enhanced job prospects and although I learnt some things at an advanced level, it is taught in an overly academic structure here. It's great if you want to do a Phd and never work outside of the university, but it teaches you little about working in B2B settings and in the real world itself. I relied on obtaining work experience for that.

But as Stevie says, if nothing else - it shows you how many large companies that are out there conducting their business activities in such a wrong way. It's good knowledge to have, I find it quite universally applicable in business. It sets you up for a good consultancy job anyway!

[Ben Jeffreys]

While I understand everything that you have said in this thread, one thing does confuse me. If BK does not want people thinking they are putting any money into this team, then why allow the owners to name the team BK Racing? That is what confuses me, if BK has their likeness on a team's name, wouldn't they want the best looking cars they could get. It just makes no sense to have cars that look like that under your brand.

That is the only thing which jumps out at me also. The only thing that I can grasp at with such little information is that the investor has sensed a once in a lifetime market opportunity (with regards to equipment, etc), so much so that it has captured the curiosity of Burger King. It's an experiment which is not on their dime essentially, though it must be at least partially research led for them to support one of their major franchisee's pouring money into this as opposed to further restaurants.

I would imagine that for this situation to have materialised as it has however, the investor would have had to provide some assurances to Burger King that would perhaps be of interest to them at a later date. In this respect, I wonder if the permission to use the brand in this way is a sign that by signing someone like Kvapil for a year, they plan to operate under the radar for a season before making a more collaborative effort in 2013. I am wondering if Burger King has ok'd this situation on the basis that if the investor shows demonstrative evidence that this team is directly influencing revenue increases in his restaurants, then it could lead to something more substantive.

The only thing that could make this far fetched is that there is no real pressure for Burger King to participate in NASCAR. All the key players aren't exactly heavily involved already. But regardless, it's very unconventional - yet I don't think the ceasing of the relationship with Stewart-Haas should be overlooked either. Perhaps Burger King are quietly investing in this also, but due to the time in which this materialised - perhaps they want the entrance to be more ambient.

[nascarartist20]

oh u funny huh

To be completely honest dude, ever since you got your design on a car you've been shoving it down everyone's throat. You're the only person here that pretty much brags every chance you get about designing paint schemes. Pretty unprofessional I might say. I don't see any one else doing this. You talk your stuff up like its the best ever and it doesn't look that great. As soon as I saw your BK car I immediately thought of the Valvoline car. Your Josh Wise "USA" car you bragged about so much? What was so great about that? Mountains on the roof of the Diet Dew car that completely go against the flow of everything else on the car, and makes the driver's signature unreadable? Genius. I really don't care if I'm out of line with all this, but I've held it in long enough. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. Basically calling people idiots for not using your work will get you plenty of opportunities in the future, I'm sure. Go design your crappy paint jobs, and at least be professional about it instead of coming back here looking for an ego boost every chance you get.

[David24]

These cars don't look that great and I'm pretty sure they won't do very well but hopefully I'm wrong. I mainly hope Landon can succeed and rack up some good finishes, and quite frankly I could care less about Reutimann. Hasn't done much of anything since coming to Cup.

[penskefan]

To be completely honest dude, ever since you got your design on a car you've been shoving it down everyone's throat. You're the only person here that pretty much brags every chance you get about designing paint schemes. Pretty unprofessional I might say. I don't see any one else doing this. You talk your stuff up like its the best ever and it doesn't look that great. As soon as I saw your BK car I immediately thought of the Valvoline car. Your Josh Wise "USA" car you bragged about so much? What was so great about that? Mountains on the roof of the Diet Dew car that completely go against the flow of everything else on the car, and makes the driver's signature unreadable? Genius. I really don't care if I'm out of line with all this, but I've held it in long enough. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. Basically calling people idiots for not using your work will get you plenty of opportunities in the future, I'm sure. Go design your crappy paint jobs, and at least be professional about it instead of coming back here looking for an ego boost every chance you get.

Careful. One of his buddies (or maybe its him) might sign up with a nascarartist20sucks screen name and bash you for this. I would know.

[Ben Jeffreys]

To be completely honest dude, ever since you got your design on a car you've been shoving it down everyone's throat. You're the only person here that pretty much brags every chance you get about designing paint schemes. Pretty unprofessional I might say. I don't see any one else doing this. You talk your stuff up like its the best ever and it doesn't look that great. As soon as I saw your BK car I immediately thought of the Valvoline car. Your Josh Wise "USA" car you bragged about so much? What was so great about that? Mountains on the roof of the Diet Dew car that completely go against the flow of everything else on the car, and makes the driver's signature unreadable? Genius. I really don't care if I'm out of line with all this, but I've held it in long enough. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way. Basically calling people idiots for not using your work will get you plenty of opportunities in the future, I'm sure. Go design your crappy paint jobs, and at least be professional about it instead of coming back here looking for an ego boost every chance you get.

Whilst I agree with you entirely, the same could be said for all the people brown-nosing JD since they learnt he was the one that designed Earnhardt Jr's car. As I said before, with the way that this car was hyped - I was expecting something sensational.

I'm no fan of JD by any means, and his attitude of personally and publicly disrespecting what should be a private agreement between him and respected clients aligns well with the JD I've known for years - but for every "Mmmmmmm" I've seen, there's been at least 5-10 sycophants bowing down to it.

[penskefan]

I guess they can't all be as humble and respectful of their opportunities as Willh is.

[Nathan_Drake]

Glad to see people are finally seeing the real JD Laird.

[ElvisOnFire]

Guys, I'm totally the most badass ARCA jackman there is :)

Anyways, I wasn't brown-nosing. I just thought it was cool he was able to design schemes for someone as big as JR.

[AMNJG24F]

Guys, I'm totally the most badass ARCA jackman there is :)

Isn't that a lot like being the fastest kid in the special olympics :moon:

[Stevie Richards]

I've never talked to Jelly outside of this board and know nothing about him, but since I liked his proposal, I guess that guy that posts here twice a year is right, I'm just a sycophant!

[penskefan]

I was honored to serve on an Arca Truck Series pit crew a couple years back. Somewhere in a record book that I secretly hope exists, I am listed as the crew chief of the third place truck at Skyline Speedway lol. We were terribly underfunded and ran towards the back quite a bit. But when they turned them loose on dirt that night the real drivers showed themselves. He spun while leading, no caution. Got mad behind that wheel and un-lapped himself and caught the leader right at the end. 2 more laps and it was all ours.

It ain't much but it sure was a great night. A highlight for me.

Back to the 83 scheme...still sucks.

[Ben Jeffreys]

I've never talked to Jelly outside of this board and know nothing about him, but since I liked his proposal, I guess that guy that posts here twice a year is right, I'm just a sycophant!

Thank you for concurring.

[Phathead]

Alright guys, let's stick to the topic at hand.

[ryan78]

Dr. Pepper is on both the 83 and 93 cars now. Saw it during 2nd practice today while they were drafting together, havent found a pic yet though?

[Ben Jeffreys]

Dr. Pepper is on both the 83 and 93 cars now. Saw it during 2nd practice today while they were drafting together, havent found a pic yet though?

http://m.scenedaily.com/article.html#!2012/2/22/New_BK_Racing_owner_committed_to_running_successfu l_Cup_team

This gives a bit more of a picture as to what is going on.

As I read it now, I believe the BK franchisees' have done this due to their stake in the brand - and are trying to convince Burger King executives to become further involved in the investment process. The article states that BK executives are there for the Daytona 500, and that they are toying with giving space to their vendors - hence Dr. Pepper being on the cars. It's almost as if this is being used more as a B2B initiative.

It's still confusing, but it seems as if the franchisee has used this as a pick to obtain financial support from Burger King, and has used his past investment with them as a basis for taking it forward. Impressive if it all pans out for them. But I still think that Burger King are quite happy to take a back seat role at this present time.

[Miles_Wilson]

ha. it does look exactly like the mb2 car. lol.

I do like the color scheme on his version of it, though. :tup:

[skippy88]

this may be a stretch, but on the whole topic of copying MBV schemes and such... when i first saw this image, i also though of an old #10 scheme... just grayscaled... you be the judge (they also used to have red wheels to accompany this scheme...)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/skippy88/83bk_pic.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/skippy88/MBVbase.jpg

[Matt]

Dr. Pepper on the car:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/s1_1-17.jpg

[Phathead]

My god that is a crappy fade job.

And are the taillight decals missing?

[JMBassPro1]

that Dr Pepper logo makes it a "little" better just because it fills the empty space

[RACNchamp]

The flying V's are originally Roush

[Phathead]

The flying V's are originally Roush

Uh, Mighty Ducks were first dude

3725

Coach Bombay for the win!

[willh94]

Uh, Mighty Ducks were first dude

3725

Coach Bombay for the win!

This right here just made my day lol.

The more I look at it, the more it just seems so thrown together. Which it probably was, but man it just looks bad.

[Phathead]

This right here just made my day lol.

The more I look at it, the more it just seems so thrown together. Which it probably was, but man it just looks bad.

What makes it even more annoying is, with what Jelly posted, it didn't have to look like it was thrown together at all.

[beanboy89]

Still no Sprint Cup logo. Reminds me of back in the Winston days where they couldn't put the Winston Cup decals on the diecast unless it was an "adult collectable."

[nascarartist20]

this may be a stretch, but on the whole topic of copying MBV schemes and such... when i first saw this image, i also though of an old #10 scheme... just grayscaled... you be the judge (they also used to have red wheels to accompany this scheme...)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/skippy88/83bk_pic.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/skippy88/MBVbase.jpg

I think you tried way to hard to see that... lol. I definitely don't see it.

[Chev_350]

this may be a stretch, but on the whole topic of copying MBV schemes and such... when i first saw this image, i also though of an old #10 scheme... just grayscaled... you be the judge (they also used to have red wheels to accompany this scheme...)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/skippy88/83bk_pic.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/skippy88/MBVbase.jpg

I think that is stretching it just a little....

[danmackay125]

cars look better when they pull into the garage on lap 3

[T_Sporano]

I don't think these look too bad, honestly...

[Richard Hammond]

Same here. Does it fit the brand identity? Well...no. But it isn't the ugliest scheme I've seen. "The Worst of ARCA" thread is my witness.

[nwt0]

Same here. Does it fit the brand identity? Well...no. But it isn't the ugliest scheme I've seen. "The Worst of ARCA" thread is my witness.
I would have preferred JD's scheme, but I have to agree this is nowhere near the worst paint scheme in NASCAR history.

[Nathan_Drake]

It's almost as crappy as Harvick's 2005 Daytona car.

[ElvisOnFire]

It's almost as crappy as Harvick's 2005 Daytona car.

Hey I liked that car

[RaceMan]

A little blurry:
3920

[burtonbraves]

The new BK schemes. Album includes #83 and #93.

Thanks to The Big-A @ SRD for posting the link.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.348461801869826.75811.171572586225416&type=1&notif_t=like

[ElvisOnFire]

Those look great! Additional BK support I hope? :)

[Donnie_87]

I assume they are promoting smoothies?

[STEVE]

http://i.imgur.com/7LjPR.jpg

This was done by BK Racing's honorary decaler, Stevie Wonder.

[ElvisOnFire]

http://i.imgur.com/7LjPR.jpg

This was done by BK Racing's honorary decaler, Stevie Wonder.

Yeah, from a distance it looks nice, but the execution is turrible

[elliott21fan]

Too bad this isn't RAB Racing, or one could suggest JWT put the decals on :P

[Matt]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/AylVgjBCMAAFy_S.jpg

[WWEFan14]

Meh.

[JJohnson48]

I like it

[nwt0]

It looks like it's going to promote BK's summer menu.

[RobbyFan]

Better.

[mdterrapins37]

It looks like it's going to promote BK's summer menu.

Didn't think of it but I bet that's exactly what it's for.

[Richard Hammond]

Taxslayer is sponsoring the 83?

[Phathead]

Dig the new number

[Paul8]

Now I have a sudden craving for their sweet potato fries.

[pdas1996]

I'm suprised that the Bacon Sundae hasn't been on the car yet.

[Astat]

Cassill's running the regular white/grey BK scheme at Indy...the red one must be for Pocono or something.

[skippy88]

starting at Watkins Glen and will last until end of year...

[max72]

Watkins Glen

[rookiechamp]

Still disappointing. What's with them and fades?

[NOSphantom59]

Still disappointing. What's with them and fades?

But it's better than their normal scheme.

[rookiechamp]

True dat. I actually got used to it though.

[nwt0]

On track:

[Kahne4RedBull]

none of your pics are showing up nwt0

[nwt0]

none of your pics are showing up nwt0
That's odd, I can see them.

[Matt]

That's odd, I can see them.

I also can't see them.

[gr8eske1]

I can't either

[nwt0]

Are you guys able to see the pictures now?

[Paul8]

Working fine now. Thanks. :)

[elliott21fan]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4339/83wg.png

[NOSphantom59]

I like the change to the number.

[Phathead]

I like the change to the number.

Me too, it's actually pretty slick looking

[Matito29]

I didn't like the number change at first, but I kinda do now.

That said, the fade job on that car looks like it has a five o'clock shadow.

[elliott21fan]

Smoothie car at Atlanta:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/199627_492171737462462_426906793_n.jpg

[Mike Lala]

Best looking car this weekend IMO! Love that car, getting a custom made for it soon haha!

[gr8eske1]

New #'s are growing on me, not entirely sold on the style/font but glad they got away from 8 3/9 3

[dalejrfan88]

Nice scheme btw i know the 73 likely wont be on the track again this season but it would be cool to see a smoothie scheme on the 73.

[JJohnson48]

am I the only one that thinks the numbers a little too small?

[AMNJG24F]

Is it just me, or can you still see the outline of the old number on the door?

[RedLineRacing4]

Is it just me, or can you still see the outline of the old number on the door?
It is the outline of the new number:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/405305_492171720795797_138455729_n.jpg

[JCTay]

am I the only one that thinks the numbers a little too small?

Ditto.

Also, Its funny how this team is slowly producing better looking cars throughout the season. Maybe by 2013 they'll have nice schemes, a normal looking Burger King text/logo on the QP, and properly sized numbers.

[Jelly]

Ditto.

Also, Its funny how this team is slowly producing better looking cars throughout the season. Maybe by 2013 they'll have nice schemes, a normal looking Burger King text/logo on the QP, and properly sized numbers.

thats borderline asking too much haha

[Matito29]

Was Dr Pepper absent the first time they ran the pink car? I noticed it wasn't on the 83 at all this week, but they ran the full Dr Pepper scheme on the 93. M

[RobbyFan]

TBA Tour and Phyzix....what?

[STEVE]

TBA Tour and Phyzix....what?

"Let's put fake logos on the car so people will think we actually have sponsors!"

[beanboy89]

"Let's put fake logos on the car so people will think we actually have sponsors!"

Phyzix is real. Can't find anything definitive on TBA Tour.

http://www.phyzixautomotive.com/

[WG_TRG]

Physzix is a contingency sponsor in the Whelen Modified Tour.

[ElvisOnFire]

Good lord the first 100 posts of this thread :lol:

[weisel]

Good lord the first 100 posts of this thread :lol:

This thread is like Statler and Waldorf.



STATLER: Boo!
WALDORF: Boooo!
S: That was the worst thing I’ve ever heard!
W: It was terrible!
S: Horrendous!
W: Well it wasn’t that bad.
S: Oh, yeah?
W: Well, there were parts of it I liked!
S: Well, I liked alot of it.
W: Yeah, it was GOOD actually.
S: It was great!
W: It was wonderful!
S: Yeah, bravo!
W: More!
S: More!
W: More!
S: More!

[ElvisOnFire]

This thread is like Statler and Waldorf.

Not to mention the brief flame war :lol:

[RedLineRacing4]

http://cdn-7.motorsport.com/static/img/mgl/1400000/1460000/1467000/1467600/1467657/s1_1.jpg

[Matt]

Charlotte II:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/20121011tg0123.jpg

[Robbie]

Dover II
6087

[STEVE]

55 Years of Whopper car for Homestead.

http://i.imgur.com/Iijho.jpg

[ElvisOnFire]

Should have run the #83 in the same style of the 55 on that car. Would have made that scheme.

[Matt]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/10hlw0o.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/2dvtlds.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f359/MattV2008/snib88.jpg