Intentional or not?

[Phathead]

Any thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjo74XKe_Lw

[Aerobat85]

The #2 definitely intentionally took out the #8 in turn 3.

[WG_TRG]

Looked intentional to me.

[STEVE]

Without question

[Icepilot]

Loss of talent, not intentional. Just does not know how to drive.

[Phathead]

Loss of talent, not intentional. Just does not know how to drive.

He's an A Class driver with a 3300 iRating. He knows how to drive, especially considering he was turning 20.6s that week

[!LoneWolf]

I'm going to go with

8-) (BLINDERS ON)

Phat your such a hard nosed snot of a driver that you never give him room over the course of your history racing you've bumped him and spun and flipped him into catch fences. It's about time he took some revenge. Your the Brad K of iRacing!

:spin: (So this is what it feels like to be a Carl Edwards fan! Man I feel full of :cen:

:) (BLINDERS OFF)

It was intentional, he got ticked because yall got together when others piled up he needs to chill.

[steve_moore]

You did protest him right?

[Phathead]

Oh I did. I received the response back from Nim last night


Dear Jory,

We appreciate you taking the time to file this protest and providing a replay of the incident. After reviewing the replay, we understand your frustration, but we do not feel either driver caused the accident intentionally or with malice.
The ratings and licensing systems are the main policing agents of the service. We also offer drop races to help recover from the incident. If you race in more than one race your worst result will be dropped from the points total in that week. All members receive incidents for which they are not at fault. Drivers who consistently make good decisions will find it easy to improve their iRating and License Level. Drivers who do not will have to improve their driving and possibly their outlook to do the same. You can learn more about the no fault incident system, ratings systems, and the philosophies behind those systems by reading the iRacing Sporting Code found here.
http://membersmedia.iracing.com/pdfs/FI ... .29.01.pdf (http://membersmedia.iracing.com/pdfs/FIRST_Sporting_Code_v2010.04.29.01.pdf)

For these reasons we will not be moving forward with this protest.

Thank you for your time and understanding.

Enjoy your racing,

Nim Cross


Apparently 'Have at it boys' has moved over to iRacing....

[steve_moore]

Well at least it's documented. I protested a tard and it took a few times and other people doing it to actually get him suspended a few weeks. I always file one now for crap like that so there is a history of it.

[Wade Kilpatrick]

Wow, are the guys who look at the protest footage blind?

[steve_moore]

Wow, are the guys who look at the protest footage blind?
I've thought that myself at times. I think it's more of a deal where the guy could have said to Nim, "I'm sorry, I looked down at my F2 key and didn't see him". I know that's BS in this case and he may too, but it very well could be just a one-off really stupid thing like that. If it's documented, then if he keeps doing it they have a history. Some people ( me included) make mistakes that are just losing focus for a split second or trying to set our tires up or something.

That's my take anyway. It would suck to look at all those protest's all day long. :cry:

[Phathead]

[quote="Wade Kilpatrick":2t6x88n7]Wow, are the guys who look at the protest footage blind?
I've thought that myself at times. I think it's more of a deal where the guy could have said to Nim, "I'm sorry, I looked down at my F2 key and didn't see him". I know that's BS in this case and he may too, but it very well could be just a one-off really stupid thing like that. If it's documented, then if he keeps doing it they have a history. Some people ( me included) make mistakes that are just losing focus for a split second or trying to set our tires up or something.

That's my take anyway. It would suck to look at all those protest's all day long. :cry:[/quote:2t6x88n7]
I would believe that except that Nim said it wasn't intentional. If you're gonna put him on probation or something as a first time offender, that's fine by me.

He didn't slow down except for right before he hit me and he never turned the wheel. If it was an 'accident' why did he never respond to my requests for an explanation over voice and text?

I wonder if its somewhat personal on Nim because I openly critisized him due to his poor judgement on the last protest I sent him.

[cjt3viper]

Obviously intentional. iRacing is so realistic that they follow Nascar's handbook on dealing with this kind of stuff. I've protested a few that were pretty obvious retaliations and nothing happened. I've just given up on the protest system.

[Phathead]

Obviously intentional. iRacing is so realistic that they follow Nascar's handbook on dealing with this kind of stuff. I've protested a few that were pretty obvious retaliations and nothing happened. I've just given up on the protest system.

Next time I'm pissed, I'm gonna take someone out. And when Nim tries to do something about it, I'll shoot this back at him.

I'm being good and refraining from responding to him.

[cjt3viper]

Don't worry he'll only place you on "probation" :lol:

[P_Fogel]

I've just given up on the protest system.

tbh, that is what hurts the system. Nim isn't going to suspend a first time offender in a intentional wreck situation. Was it bad, sure it was but if the guy doesn't have a history of doing it you can't just throw the book at him.

If he continues to do it and is protested, he will be penalized.

[Richie61]

Obviously intentional. iRacing is so realistic that they follow Nascar's handbook on dealing with this kind of stuff. I've protested a few that were pretty obvious retaliations and nothing happened. I've just given up on the protest system.

SCCA and IMSA were the same way. We gave up protests against other drivers too :-? The race officials wouldn't do a darn thing. Even with 3 incar cameras views and they would dismiss it, because of some lame excuse :moon:

[WG_TRG]

Obviously intentional. iRacing is so realistic that they follow Nascar's handbook on dealing with this kind of stuff. I've protested a few that were pretty obvious retaliations and nothing happened. I've just given up on the protest system.

SCCA and IMSA were the same way. We gave up protests against other drivers too :-? The race officials wouldn't do a darn thing. Even with 3 incar cameras views and they would dismiss it, because of some lame excuse :moon:

"He brake checked me!"

"He was just slowing down to make the turn."

"A turn into the grass?"

"Well yeah. Duh."

[Phathead]

I've just given up on the protest system.

tbh, that is what hurts the system. Nim isn't going to suspend a first time offender in a intentional wreck situation. Was it bad, sure it was but if the guy doesn't have a history of doing it you can't just throw the book at him.

If he continues to do it and is protested, he will be penalized.

I wasn't asking him to be suspended. Hell I wouldn't mind if he got off with a just a warning.

What disturbed me is that Nim saw nothing wrong with the incident.

[cjt3viper]

I've just given up on the protest system.

tbh, that is what hurts the system. Nim isn't going to suspend a first time offender in a intentional wreck situation. Was it bad, sure it was but if the guy doesn't have a history of doing it you can't just throw the book at him.

If he continues to do it and is protested, he will be penalized.

I'm not expecting Nim to suspend everyone that's protested. It's that he completely dismisses an intentional wreck as just racing or something to that effect. Even if someone was to get a warning I'd be happy but it seems he just dismisses everything as racing. Until he gets some help dealing with protests the system will never work.

[Phathead]

I've just given up on the protest system.

tbh, that is what hurts the system. Nim isn't going to suspend a first time offender in a intentional wreck situation. Was it bad, sure it was but if the guy doesn't have a history of doing it you can't just throw the book at him.

If he continues to do it and is protested, he will be penalized.

I'm not expecting Nim to suspend everyone that's protested. It's that he completely dismisses an intentional wreck as just racing or something to that effect. Even if someone was to get a warning I'd be happy but it seems he just dismisses everything as racing. Until he gets some help dealing with protests the system will never work.

Yep, that's exactly why I'm debating saying something. I'm probably not gonna be able to race soon anyways, so what do I have to lose?

[DJ_Ross]

wouldnt let me vote. but yep looks intentional to me

[Richie61]

Obviously intentional. iRacing is so realistic that they follow Nascar's handbook on dealing with this kind of stuff. I've protested a few that were pretty obvious retaliations and nothing happened. I've just given up on the protest system.

SCCA and IMSA were the same way. We gave up protests against other drivers too :-? The race officials wouldn't do a darn thing. Even with 3 incar cameras views and they would dismiss it, because of some lame excuse :moon:

"He brake checked me!"

"He was just slowing down to make the turn."

"A turn into the grass?"

"Well yeah. Duh."

Pretty much. Was easier to "draft them" down the down hill at Lime Rock :drive: Course you really weren't "drafting". You would put the bumper on them and flat out "pull them" down the hill as fast as you could go :drive: After doing it, they would "change their underwear" and be a lot nice to you on the track. Use them as brakes into turn #3 at NHIS or turn #1 at the Glen worked too :spin:

"Actions as speak louder then words". :beer: