This thing is sick..

[TPSR-RVachon]

Just had a race at Iowa...I'm speechless. :o Best racing I've ever had at a short track. Multi lines to race on, a little bit of rubbin' to make things interesting...simply fantastic.

All I can say is..If anyone DOES NOT like this sim, then you might as well quit sim racing and go fly a kite..LOL. You won't find anything better IMO.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Iowa is prob my fav track so far.. the whole track is open to pass someone. :roxs:

[gordonfan2007]

Just hearing that makes me go crazy. I can't wait for this game. :dude:

[Leach]

Ive been hearing alot of mixed things, and its gotten me so confused. Almost everyone over here has been saying its great, then ive been hearing its not. I really hope its as good as you guys make it out to be, cause its time for a change.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Ive been hearing alot of mixed things, and its gotten me so confused. Almost everyone over here has been saying its great, then ive been hearing its not. I really hope its as good as you guys make it out to be, cause its time for a change.

who says its not? are they beta testers? they obviously cant be, if they are experiancing it first hand then i doubt thry would be saying that :wink:

[RobbyFan]

But hows the AI?



*runs*

:lol:

[TPSR-RVachon]

Ive been hearing alot of mixed things, and its gotten me so confused. Almost everyone over here has been saying its great, then ive been hearing its not. I really hope its as good as you guys make it out to be, cause its time for a change.Yea no kidding...they can't be beta testers. If they were, they'd be providing the info required to change things if they feel it isn't right.

And where are you hearing this "not good" information anyhow? From Hog in a different forum? LMAO

[VADER]

Can I ask a few questions?

In what way is ARCA Sim racing different than say SCE98 or The Pits mod?

Are the tracks true to life, as an example is Daytona as wide as the Papy sims or is it skinny like we are seeing on the above referenced mods?

Is ARCA Sim racing a completely new sim? or is it another re-make of NASCAR Sim Racing?

Please understand that i'm not trying to throw rocks at this sim, i'm only looking for more information as i'm not real impressed with the newer NASCAR sims to date.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Can I ask a few questions?

In what way is ARCA Sim racing different than say SCE98 or The Pits mod?

Are the tracks true to life, as an example is Daytona as wide as the Papy sims or is it skinny like we are seeing on the above referenced mods?

Is ARCA Sim racing a completely new sim? or is it another re-make of NASCAR Sim Racing?

Please understand that i'm not trying to throw rocks at this sim, i'm only looking for more information as i'm not real impressed with the newer NASCAR sims to date.

ken, the tracks look simply amazing. kansas is what did it for me.. wait until you see kansas and you compare to N2003. kansas looks so amazing and EXACTLY what it looks like on TV, as do all the tracks.

i cant go in depth, but the info and data that these track markers have to work with is simply amazing, almost to the point where its unbelievable.

[TPSR-RVachon]

This isn't a remake of anything..it's a new sim. The tracks are built from scratch, the cars don't handle remotely close to any thing "mod" related and I've run the above mentioned mods in several races before I started testing ARCA.

Best I can describe the feel...cross between NR03 & SCE, but not exactly..LOL. Not sure how to explain it really.

[TPSR-RVachon]

I hope I'm not over stepping my boundaries here, but just to let everyone know, I created a video showing some of the tracks..only the ones that are close to being complete. It's being reviewed by the Sim Factory big wigs as we speak. If they say it's ok for public release, then you should see something in the next few days.

Now I hope I don't get an email from Zippy with some "You $%^&& dummy, why the $*&#$ did you post that." :lol:

[Zippy]

Can I ask a few questions?

In what way is ARCA Sim racing different than say SCE98 or The Pits mod?

Are the tracks true to life, as an example is Daytona as wide as the Papy sims or is it skinny like we are seeing on the above referenced mods?

Is ARCA Sim racing a completely new sim? or is it another re-make of NASCAR Sim Racing?

Please understand that i'm not trying to throw rocks at this sim, i'm only looking for more information as i'm not real impressed with the newer NASCAR sims to date.

Your cool Ray! :)

Arca sim racing is as accurate as we can say it is, because we use the drivers for the actual "feel" modeling (many of them). I will tell you even this pre-release beta simulation is being used, in various ways, for actual current and upcoming race events aand testing.

It is a completely new sim

The tracks are done with meticulous care to hopefully capture any specific characteristics that make it unique, and are designed again with track owner input, driver input, and more to hopefully immerse you into the fact that you are racing a simulated version of the real one.

Thanks Vader!

[Leach]

I hope I'm not over stepping my boundaries here, but just to let everyone know, I created a video showing some of the tracks..only the ones that are close to being complete. It's being reviewed by the Sim Factory big wigs as we speak. If they say it's ok for public release, then you should see something in the next few days.

Now I hope I don't get an email from Zippy with some "You $%^&& dummy, why the $*&#$ did you post that." :lol:
Hope they let you show us :roxs:

[RustyFan2]

Can I ask a few questions?

In what way is ARCA Sim racing different than say SCE98 or The Pits mod?

Are the tracks true to life, as an example is Daytona as wide as the Papy sims or is it skinny like we are seeing on the above referenced mods?

Is ARCA Sim racing a completely new sim? or is it another re-make of NASCAR Sim Racing?

Please understand that i'm not trying to throw rocks at this sim, i'm only looking for more information as i'm not real impressed with the newer NASCAR sims to date.

Your cool Ray! :)

Arca sim racing is as accurate as we can say it is, because we use the drivers for the actual "feel" modeling (many of them). I will tell you even this pre-release beta simulation is being used, in various ways, for actual current and upcoming race events aand testing.

It is a completely new sim

The tracks are done with meticulous care to hopefully capture any specific characteristics that make it unique, and are designed again with track owner input, driver input, and more to hopefully immerse you into the fact that you are racing a simulated version of the real one.

Thanks Vader!

I can't wait to see Gateway :o :o

While I'm on the subject of asking - what about victory lane access - somethin small that people might enjoy? :)

[jay45deezee]

Its a completely new sim, but yet it was built using rFactor and the rFactor tools, correct?

[Leach]

Its a completely new sim, but yet it was built using rFactor and the rFactor tools, correct?
i think so.



I wanna be a beta tester :lol:

[Zippy]

Its a completely new sim, but yet it was built using rFactor and the rFactor tools, correct?
Close, used ISI and ISI tools, in some cases these were modified to protect interests. All data is proprietary and exclusive though, which is where major differences may be what everyone is describing. Accuracy and appropriate coding of many things has elevated the ability to correctly assimilate a stock car experience in a PC environment.

[VADER]

Can I ask a few questions?

In what way is ARCA Sim racing different than say SCE98 or The Pits mod?

Are the tracks true to life, as an example is Daytona as wide as the Papy sims or is it skinny like we are seeing on the above referenced mods?

Is ARCA Sim racing a completely new sim? or is it another re-make of NASCAR Sim Racing?

Please understand that i'm not trying to throw rocks at this sim, i'm only looking for more information as i'm not real impressed with the newer NASCAR sims to date.

OK...This sucks!!....can I purchase this sim tonight and you can update me later on the release day :hi: Also will we be able to run this on our private servers? And if so you need to make sure that the ISI bug that redlines server processors anytime one person is online is not present. GTR-2 has it and R-Factor had it on release before they sent out a patch to correct it, just an FYI.



Arca sim racing is as accurate as we can say it is, because we use the drivers for the actual "feel" modeling (many of them). I will tell you even this pre-release beta simulation is being used, in various ways, for actual current and upcoming race events aand testing.

It is a completely new sim

The tracks are done with meticulous care to hopefully capture any specific characteristics that make it unique, and are designed again with track owner input, driver input, and more to hopefully immerse you into the fact that you are racing a simulated version of the real one.

Thanks Vader!

[TPSR-RVachon]

Its a completely new sim, but yet it was built using rFactor and the rFactor tools, correct?

Hi JD - More accurately, they are building off the ISI engine like rFactor is.

EDIT: What Zippy said..lol

[axelred13]

Ive been hearing alot of mixed things, and its gotten me so confused. Almost everyone over here has been saying its great, then ive been hearing its not. I really hope its as good as you guys make it out to be, cause its time for a change.

You say this but have no examples to back up what you say. Forgive me if I don't believe you.

[Leach]

Ive been hearing alot of mixed things, and its gotten me so confused. Almost everyone over here has been saying its great, then ive been hearing its not. I really hope its as good as you guys make it out to be, cause its time for a change.

You say this but have no examples to back up what you say. Forgive me if I don't believe you.
forgive me if i dont care :lol:

And people say this sim is gonna destroy Nr2003, but yet, no examples to back it up. What makes this any different from people saying "Man, ASR is amazing....Im speechless" etc? We're taking their word, and thats all we can do until its released. By the way, im not against Sim Factory, just using them as an example :)

[axelred13]

Oh, but we do have examples. Many, many first-hand accounts from beta testers. Two members of this site are on that "team" and have had nothing but good things to say, and examples.

You STILL haven't stated where you were hearing bad things. I'm assuming that you are hearing from people who are comparing old ISI based games to this one and coming up with some biased conclusions.

[Mike Henry Jr]

Oh, but we do have examples. Many, many first-hand accounts from beta testers. Two members of this site are on that "team" and have had nothing but good things to say, and examples.

You STILL haven't stated where you were hearing bad things. I'm assuming that you are hearing from people who are comparing old ISI based games to this one and coming up with some biased conclusions.

exactly, wish i could see their faces when its released. :lol:

[RCoulter-ACorp-]

forgive me if i dont care

And people say this sim is gonna destroy Nr2003, but yet, no examples to back it up. What makes this any different from people saying "Man, ASR is amazing....Im speechless" etc? We're taking their word, and thats all we can do until its released. By the way, im not against Sim Factory, just using them as an example

Leach,

Releasing a new game, movie, music or any other creative work is always cause for nepotism and/or negative statements from the public toward the work in progress. With over twelve years as a producer and director in Hollywood's film and music industry I have long learned that the creators of such projects have only ONE responsibility...which is to perform their jobs to the best of their ability so that the final product is what was intended when the team sought out to create it.

I respect any concerns about software as well as lack of screenshots and such. But to be honest...when working on budget confined projects with such critique coming from third parties...it is ALWAYS best to protect the development of the project as not to deter from the teams focus by statements that really mean nothing at all.

It's quite simple actually...shortly before the sim comes out screenshots and such will be made available...but only when we feel it pertinent to do so. As far as a demo...it's simply not gonna happen with this version. If it takes you four weeks to study the photos and/or videos to determine if the game is worth your money....then it looks like we will be seeing you on the track four weeks after release...or maybe we wont. I personally am not concerned about that in any way.

Does that mean that we have a low end sim we are trying to get you to buy and using the fact we are not providing a demo to help sales? ABSOLUTELY NOT! All we care about is that the people that DO buy it and want a closer to real life experience...get exactly what they wanted. That is the most important point...and the fact that we will be there to maintain development and updates to continue making it better for our clients is another.

Your choice is simple...stay with what you have...or don't. For every five people that wont buy the game becuase they believe a dumbed down demo would really make the sale....we will replace those five people with ten new people. How? Because we provide a up to six fully functional cockpits on exhibit for testing at every ARCA RE/MAX race that is run and we will put tens of thousands of new people into that cockpit each week....four weeks a month...24 races per year for the next three years. Do the math and then think about why we arent that concerned about postponing and changing focus for a demo.

We are not EA Sports and don't have the budget or manpower of EA Sports at this time. I suppose to make all the naysayers in the community content we could take time away from the actual game and spend it putting a demo together...to do this we will need to shift development money and team focus to the demo, push the release date by four months and cancel the first half of our online series for the 2007 season. All so you can drive a few laps at a track and somehow make all your decisions based off the demo.

We have tried to speed up development to get you all the software...which will be released soon. This software is far superior in every area that matters to competition in comparision to our predicessors.

I honestly believe that if you have any clue what a real cup car drives like...which we do...then you will surely enjoy driving the sim as well as the performance characteristics of the sim and it's ability to be league compatible.

If you think ISI this or rFactor that....you are ignorant to how titles are developed and are basing your opinions not off the engines capabilities but the talent level of those companies or individuals that coded their physics and such into that engine in games you didnt like.

Kinda like thinking SONY or Warner Brothers studios cannot produce good music because one artist sang out of tune. That statement would probably come from someone that doesn't understand anything about recording music.

In conclusion, using us as an example in regards to companies that arent us is like comparing apples to oranges...I thought we all learned that was not to smart when we were all like...six years old.

I would like to thank everyone at Rubbins-Racin.com for their beta support in this project. We hope to make you and your community proud of our efforts.

[Leach]

You caught me at a bad time, so i apologize. I will more than likely buy this Sim, cause i have high hopes for it. But you have to understand our concerns. So many times the Stock car sim community has been let down, especially by EA sports. We heard all these great things about how good the game was, and then it wasnt. Thats why Nr2003 is still selling for over $100 on ebay. I just really dont wanna see another SCE rip off. No offense to its creators by the way. I just really didnt enjoy playing it.

[axelred13]

I'm sure everyone understands your concerns, but that question has been addressed and addressed, and I'm surprised these guys' heads haven't exploded from that question.

[Mike Henry Jr]

You caught me at a bad time, so i apologize. I will more than likely buy this Sim, cause i have high hopes for it. But you have to understand our concerns. So many times the Stock car sim community has been let down, especially by EA sports. We heard all these great things about how good the game was, and then it wasnt. Thats why Nr2003 is still selling for over $100 on ebay. I just really dont wanna see another SCE rip off. No offense to its creators by the way. I just really didnt enjoy playing it.

and when any of EA's games were in development, did they have beta testers sharing experiences, ect with the actual community? thats one thing i think some fail to realize. the whole team is very close with the community, and i think thats something that i know for me atleast, ive never seen before.

think about it :wink:

[axelred13]

You caught me at a bad time, so i apologize. I will more than likely buy this Sim, cause i have high hopes for it. But you have to understand our concerns. So many times the Stock car sim community has been let down, especially by EA sports. We heard all these great things about how good the game was, and then it wasnt. Thats why Nr2003 is still selling for over $100 on ebay. I just really dont wanna see another SCE rip off. No offense to its creators by the way. I just really didnt enjoy playing it.

and when any of EA's games were in development, did they have beta testers sharing experiences, ect with the actual community? thats one thing i think some fail to realize. the whole team is very close with the community, and i think thats something that i know for me atleast, ive never seen before.

think about it :wink:

Good point Mike. Why would they have the general public, someone like Mike (no offense), be beta testing their product if they were trying to release a piece of crap sim?

I think if they were trying to pull a fast one on the community, they would release a demo of the good stuff and it not truly be representative of the real product.

[Tom Miller]

Mr. Hollywood,
Has there been discussions about possible LAN events within the sanction series and/or in conjunction with ARCA Race Events? Thanks

[RCoulter-ACorp-]

No need for Mr. and as I read through my post I realize I sometimes can come off like a complete prick. But I think its about time developers are honest in what they are trying to do and why they are doing it. You all are so very passionate about what you want and believe me we got burned on prior titles right with you.

We all have a bit of sour taste in our mouths over past releases, ....this is why the Sim Factory was built and every member is a simmer.

As for LAN events....Only time will tell but I would imagine we have a few things planned. We do around 30 or more public events per season...LAN would definately be fun!! :roxs:

[Tom Miller]

Thanks for the reply, sounds good Hollywood guy :lol:

[PROLash]

delete

[PJ_MRD]

... as I read through my post I realize I sometimes can come off like a complete prick.

Not at all Hollywood. Ya'll have been so patience with the crazies on this forum that don't understand your answers the first four times you give them. You are right, between the truly passionate sim fans and the folks at the track that test the sim, you will have plenty of customers. I know a lot of guys will agree with me when I offer up a HUGE thanks to you guys for making yourselves available on this forum so we can ask questions and make suggestions!!!

[dozer]

ill be the first 1 to buy it.....ill let you know if its worth wasting time to get a demo..lol


dozer :roxs:

[Joshua]

forgive me if i dont care

And people say this sim is gonna destroy Nr2003, but yet, no examples to back it up. What makes this any different from people saying "Man, ASR is amazing....Im speechless" etc? We're taking their word, and thats all we can do until its released. By the way, im not against Sim Factory, just using them as an example

Leach,

Releasing a new game, movie, music or any other creative work is always cause for nepotism and/or negative statements from the public toward the work in progress. With over twelve years as a producer and director in Hollywood's film and music industry I have long learned that the creators of such projects have only ONE responsibility...which is to perform their jobs to the best of their ability so that the final product is what was intended when the team sought out to create it.

I respect any concerns about software as well as lack of screenshots and such. But to be honest...when working on budget confined projects with such critique coming from third parties...it is ALWAYS best to protect the development of the project as not to deter from the teams focus by statements that really mean nothing at all.

It's quite simple actually...shortly before the sim comes out screenshots and such will be made available...but only when we feel it pertinent to do so. As far as a demo...it's simply not gonna happen with this version. If it takes you four weeks to study the photos and/or videos to determine if the game is worth your money....then it looks like we will be seeing you on the track four weeks after release...or maybe we wont. I personally am not concerned about that in any way.

Does that mean that we have a low end sim we are trying to get you to buy and using the fact we are not providing a demo to help sales? ABSOLUTELY NOT! All we care about is that the people that DO buy it and want a closer to real life experience...get exactly what they wanted. That is the most important point...and the fact that we will be there to maintain development and updates to continue making it better for our clients is another.

Your choice is simple...stay with what you have...or don't. For every five people that wont buy the game becuase they believe a dumbed down demo would really make the sale....we will replace those five people with ten new people. How? Because we provide a up to six fully functional cockpits on exhibit for testing at every ARCA RE/MAX race that is run and we will put tens of thousands of new people into that cockpit each week....four weeks a month...24 races per year for the next three years. Do the math and then think about why we arent that concerned about postponing and changing focus for a demo.

We are not EA Sports and don't have the budget or manpower of EA Sports at this time. I suppose to make all the naysayers in the community content we could take time away from the actual game and spend it putting a demo together...to do this we will need to shift development money and team focus to the demo, push the release date by four months and cancel the first half of our online series for the 2007 season. All so you can drive a few laps at a track and somehow make all your decisions based off the demo.

We have tried to speed up development to get you all the software...which will be released soon. This software is far superior in every area that matters to competition in comparision to our predicessors.

I honestly believe that if you have any clue what a real cup car drives like...which we do...then you will surely enjoy driving the sim as well as the performance characteristics of the sim and it's ability to be league compatible.

If you think ISI this or rFactor that....you are ignorant to how titles are developed and are basing your opinions not off the engines capabilities but the talent level of those companies or individuals that coded their physics and such into that engine in games you didnt like.

Kinda like thinking SONY or Warner Brothers studios cannot produce good music because one artist sang out of tune. That statement would probably come from someone that doesn't understand anything about recording music.

In conclusion, using us as an example in regards to companies that arent us is like comparing apples to oranges...I thought we all learned that was not to smart when we were all like...six years old.

I would like to thank everyone at Rubbins-Racin.com for their beta support in this project. We hope to make you and your community proud of our efforts.


I am among those that can’t wait for a game to replace NR 2003, but the lack of information and the negative way inquires are answered guarantees that I will not buy this game until enough information is released to make a decision. I get that there are licensing issues to be resolved, but I don’t understand how that restricts information prior to the release date, or a demo on release date. From a marketing standpoint, it is hard to understand how there can be any expectation for sales. I also understand focusing on the game, but good information is needed before the entire online racing community is going to invest.

I hope this game does replace NR 2003 and that the lack of information is not an indicator of things to come.

[D_Harvey]

Lack of info? Every question asked is answered within a day.

[RacerRon13]

Joshua wrote:

"but the lack of information and the negative way inquires are answered guarantees that I will not buy this game until enough information is released to make a decision"

"I don’t understand how that restricts information prior to the release date, or a demo on release date"

"good information is needed before the entire online racing community is going to invest"

"that the lack of information is not an indicator of things to come"[/quote]


I want what he's been smoking. Lord, just read the forums. The info is right there and the developers and testers have been forthcoming about everything they are asked.

[jeremy78951]

forgive me if i dont care

And people say this sim is gonna destroy Nr2003, but yet, no examples to back it up. What makes this any different from people saying "Man, ASR is amazing....Im speechless" etc? We're taking their word, and thats all we can do until its released. By the way, im not against Sim Factory, just using them as an example

Leach,

Releasing a new game, movie, music or any other creative work is always cause for nepotism and/or negative statements from the public toward the work in progress. With over twelve years as a producer and director in Hollywood's film and music industry I have long learned that the creators of such projects have only ONE responsibility...which is to perform their jobs to the best of their ability so that the final product is what was intended when the team sought out to create it.

I respect any concerns about software as well as lack of screenshots and such. But to be honest...when working on budget confined projects with such critique coming from third parties...it is ALWAYS best to protect the development of the project as not to deter from the teams focus by statements that really mean nothing at all.

It's quite simple actually...shortly before the sim comes out screenshots and such will be made available...but only when we feel it pertinent to do so. As far as a demo...it's simply not gonna happen with this version. If it takes you four weeks to study the photos and/or videos to determine if the game is worth your money....then it looks like we will be seeing you on the track four weeks after release...or maybe we wont. I personally am not concerned about that in any way.

Does that mean that we have a low end sim we are trying to get you to buy and using the fact we are not providing a demo to help sales? ABSOLUTELY NOT! All we care about is that the people that DO buy it and want a closer to real life experience...get exactly what they wanted. That is the most important point...and the fact that we will be there to maintain development and updates to continue making it better for our clients is another.

Your choice is simple...stay with what you have...or don't. For every five people that wont buy the game becuase they believe a dumbed down demo would really make the sale....we will replace those five people with ten new people. How? Because we provide a up to six fully functional cockpits on exhibit for testing at every ARCA RE/MAX race that is run and we will put tens of thousands of new people into that cockpit each week....four weeks a month...24 races per year for the next three years. Do the math and then think about why we arent that concerned about postponing and changing focus for a demo.

We are not EA Sports and don't have the budget or manpower of EA Sports at this time. I suppose to make all the naysayers in the community content we could take time away from the actual game and spend it putting a demo together...to do this we will need to shift development money and team focus to the demo, push the release date by four months and cancel the first half of our online series for the 2007 season. All so you can drive a few laps at a track and somehow make all your decisions based off the demo.

We have tried to speed up development to get you all the software...which will be released soon. This software is far superior in every area that matters to competition in comparision to our predicessors.

I honestly believe that if you have any clue what a real cup car drives like...which we do...then you will surely enjoy driving the sim as well as the performance characteristics of the sim and it's ability to be league compatible.

If you think ISI this or rFactor that....you are ignorant to how titles are developed and are basing your opinions not off the engines capabilities but the talent level of those companies or individuals that coded their physics and such into that engine in games you didnt like.

Kinda like thinking SONY or Warner Brothers studios cannot produce good music because one artist sang out of tune. That statement would probably come from someone that doesn't understand anything about recording music.

In conclusion, using us as an example in regards to companies that arent us is like comparing apples to oranges...I thought we all learned that was not to smart when we were all like...six years old.

I would like to thank everyone at Rubbins-Racin.com for their beta support in this project. We hope to make you and your community proud of our efforts.


I am among those that can’t wait for a game to replace NR 2003, but the lack of information and the negative way inquires are answered guarantees that I will not buy this game until enough information is released to make a decision. I get that there are licensing issues to be resolved, but I don’t understand how that restricts information prior to the release date, or a demo on release date. From a marketing standpoint, it is hard to understand how there can be any expectation for sales. I also understand focusing on the game, but good information is needed before the entire online racing community is going to invest.

I hope this game does replace NR 2003 and that the lack of information is not an indicator of things to come.What is the big deal about screen shots anyway how many weeks in advance do you need to stare at screen shots to make a decision on weather or not you are gonna buy it. As far as a demo, yes I think there should be one but its the same as a screen shot how long do you really need it before you can make a decision. Word of mouth is gonna be the best advertisement this or any game can have and it will travel fast

[Joshua]

Sure questions have been answered, but there are many online racers that have no idea this game is being released in a couple of weeks. Sure there is some information spread out in different posts in different threads, but there is no central place for the information. Why isn't there more information on the arcasimracing site?

All in all, a bit of time with some marketing and a few hours on a central location with information would increase interest and knowledge.

I say this in an attempt to help.

More marketing will equal more sales.

[gordonfan2007]

Sure questions have been answered, but there are many online racers that have no idea this game is being released in a couple of weeks. Sure there is some information spread out in different posts in different threads, but there is no central place for the information. Why isn't there more information on the arcasimracing site?

All in all, a bit of time with some marketing and a few hours on a central location with information would increase interest and knowledge.

I say this in an attempt to help.

More marketing will equal more sales.
Don't know about you, but every board I go on, Zippy or somebody from zippy's development team is there talking about ASR. So alot of people should know about this game.

[Zippy]

Sure questions have been answered, but there are many online racers that have no idea this game is being released in a couple of weeks. Sure there is some information spread out in different posts in different threads, but there is no central place for the information. Why isn't there more information on the arcasimracing site?

All in all, a bit of time with some marketing and a few hours on a central location with information would increase interest and knowledge.

I say this in an attempt to help.

More marketing will equal more sales.

Talk to me in a few months. :)

[Joshua]

Sure questions have been answered, but there are many online racers that have no idea this game is being released in a couple of weeks. Sure there is some information spread out in different posts in different threads, but there is no central place for the information. Why isn't there more information on the arcasimracing site?

All in all, a bit of time with some marketing and a few hours on a central location with information would increase interest and knowledge.

I say this in an attempt to help.

More marketing will equal more sales.

Talk to me in a few months. :)


Thanks for making my point.

Just because any game that is better than NR 2003 will obviously replace it does not mean a good marketing plan is a bad idea. Word of mouth is great, but what is with the negative responses. I have sent several people to www.arcasimracing.com (http://www.arcasimracing.com) and they come back with questions. I send them to this website and they ask where the information is? I tell them the forums, they come back frustrated because they want answers, but they don’t want to surf the forums and read a million posts just to sort through things. You can get mad, you can say what you want, but I tried to talk to people about the game and because of the way things are organized, I end up spending hours and hours answering questions that could be answered with a little more marketing. I am done marketing for you and your negative response is hard to understand when you are supposed to be representing a company and a new game. Nothing yet has made me want iracing to replace NR 2003, but I am getting there. Iracing, has an even worse marketing, or lack of marketing, but at least we have the founders of iracing to thank for NR 2003.

[Raybee1970]

At this point,I am in agreement with you,Joshua.

Just because some beta testers come on here saying how great the game is...doesn't mean squat to me.The same thing was done with NASCAR Sim Racing,and I didn't fall for that trap either.

And they say their working on AI,but it isn't a "big" priority right now...and that right there is enough for me to know I won't be getting the game until well after I see reviews,a demo and at least some friggin screenshots.Even if the AI were better than rfactor's,it's still not going to be on par with NR2003 or even Heat for that matter....since it uses an ISI engine (which is more suited for road racing to begin with).

All one needs to do,is look back at an ISI engine used for an oval game (USAR Hooters Pro Cup Racing) and they'd see just how miserably it failed in the AI department.

And with about 2 weeks left before it hits,there hasn't been alot of talk about "great racing AI" on here,so I might as well just chalk that one up to the developers and their marketing strategy.Hey...if the developers can be negative to potential buyers,why can't potential buyers be negative too?

Heck,I've been told that iracing will have everything I wanted out of a sim,and will have AI...and knowing the folks behind it's development,if it does indeed have AI,then I know at least it will be as good,or better than NR2003.I've not seen anyone on here saying anything remotely close to that about ARCA Sim Racing's AI.Only "were working on it,but it's not a major priority at this point".

Ok...good luck with that marketing plan. :wink:

[Zippy]

What answer do you want? I believe they have all been answered. Your questioning of our marketing really has no relevance because we have not sold anything, it is baseless. You may not like the fact that we are not putting time into a demo, nor a screenshot or two which are a dime a dozen and mean squat really.

We have put our faith into the guys we have brought on board, against no bias whatsoever (they come from established leagues of many years, to some that just began a few months ago.) They have been given bascially a free hand to tell you what they see or what they feel, and they also communicate to us what they'd like to do or have as well. The growth of the game will come from these guys and the community, we are in no rush to fill servers at an instant, and would hope that over time they'll populate enough for everyone to enjoy accurate simulation racing. The game is fun, and everything will be fine shortly.

[jon_hpr]

hey zippy,

I think part of the problem is the years of skepticism that have built up since papy bascially abandoned the sim community.New titles have come along,and were touted as the next best thing.Thats where some of the negativity is coming from.

Its also coming from ignorance and impatience.If they put out some early screens of cars that arent 100% done being developed or anything for that matter,your going to have every yahoo on the internet picking them apart,comparing them to other "failed" sims.

So to sit hear and whine about things now is just plain dumb.Just wait 2 weeks,then you will see,either you'll buy it or you wont.

The sim factory guys have shown incredible patience in dealing with the skeptics,how many people from papy did you have discussions with on forums daily??



thats what I thought

[RacerRon13]

After the consumers start posting their reviews, I'm willing to bet that those two will buy the sim within a month of its release.

[S_Gibson]

Lol, Joshua, I love post like yours. Good chuckle for today at least. When this sim is release and it is good you will buy it. If it is released and is not good you may not. You are at least supposed to wait for the milk to spill before you whine :lol:

The only thing many of you guys have to worry about losing is the time you have spent bitching and moaning about it and when it isn't even ready or available yet. I think it is great Zippy is giving up some of his time to field questions for anyone that has them. That is a heck of a lot more assessable than the developers of for the last number of sims that has been to this community. He could be giving interviews to online site or magazines that ask all the easy fluff questions and instead he is fielding questions DIRECTLY from the community that he wants to market his product to. For some reason there is a small number of individuals like yourself that want to whine about someone trying to bring real information out instead of fluff.

The ungratefulness for this open access they have given to the sim community is completely absurd in my mind. The beta testers are on this forum and others giving their opinions, Zippy is giving answers to what is there and what the plans are for the future, and the sim is not even available. I beta tested 2 products and throughout the whole test I was under an NDA not to say a word. The tester of this sim are on here giving their opinions and yet people whine about "no information". The for the Beta testers of other sims it is a big No-No to mention how they feel.

I had screen shots before NASCAR 99 came out, but got a repackaged NASCAR 2. I had pretty screen shots of Heat and got grasshopper physics in multiplayer. I'd rather hear from someone that has had their hands on it that the graphics look good and the code allows for close online racing than have a pretty picture of a product that is not complete.

I'm sure their will be many reviews up shortly after it is available, and given that it will sell more copies or not. I am a glass half full kind of person and skeptical of nearly everything. There is nothing I hate worse than a salesman or a sales pitch. I do not go to the manufacturers site to get the "REAL SCOOP" on the product anyway so "WORD OF MOUTH" and "HONEST REVIEWS" are what I prefer. Look at this forum and you will find that. Reid is a straight shooter that I know can trust, so that has already sold at least one copy.

The verdict on whether I would buy it our not when it was released was out until I spoke to several of the beta testers and read what Zippy posted on this forum. I know nothing more about this sim than anyone that visits this site or ASR's site, but from what I've read I'm sold. Reid and Mike from Rubbin's-Racin' have both given me good feedback about what is in this sim and its progression. You speak of marketing, but I would say the openness of the developers of this sim to answer all the questions they have and not the fluff of some online website or kiss-butt magazine interview is somewhat genius.

Imagine a company that develops a product they feel so strongly and passionately about they don't feed you fluff pieces in media, stage pretty graphics or go out of their way to force feed it down your throat, but instead sit and wait for you to ask the questions you want answered. At least wait for a REASON to trash it before you trash it.

After watching how a few individuals see the need for some reason to pass judgment or dictate to other about something they know nothing about, I can understand why developers are so quiet. Some of these post are just ridiculous.

I'll stick with someone that can please most of the people most of the time, because there will NEVER be anyone that can please all of the people all of the time.

This is my tactful criticism and opinion on many of the outlandish post I have read here and not directed solely toward you. I am being a bit nice though and haven't said how I really feel :lol:

Post on and be happy :roxs:

[axelred13]

hey zippy,

I think part of the problem is the years of skepticism that have built up since papy bascially abandoned the sim community.New titles have come along,and were touted as the next best thing.Thats where some of the negativity is coming from.

Its also coming from ignorance and impatience.If they put out some early screens of cars that arent 100% done being developed or anything for that matter,your going to have every yahoo on the internet picking them apart,comparing them to other "failed" sims.

So to sit hear and whine about things now is just plain dumb.Just wait 2 weeks,then you will see,either you'll buy it or you wont.

The sim factory guys have shown incredible patience in dealing with the skeptics,how many people from papy did you have discussions with on forums daily??



thats what I thought

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Leach]

Ditto to jhn_hpr.


I dont see myself deleting Nr2003 off my comp any time soon. Its still a blast to race on, and you can have everything turned on high and get great FPS.

[Mike Henry Jr]

thats the thing, the people with negitive comments will look like "fools" in a sense. i cant wait for its release :lol:

this simulation will end up on everyones computer. trust me. :wink: if you have a negitive comment, HOLD BACK, wait for its release and see what your friends/reviews say.

[biggles]

Will the view be as adjustable as it is in rfactor?
I had been using 50 degree field of view in SCE for rfactor and was hoping to do the same here? If not Im sure it will be fine. Just asking as it would be really nice.

Thanks!

[Zippy]

Yes

[PJ_MRD]

Well said Gibs. And in a much nicer way than I would have!! LOL Work of mouth will win more "good" consumers than any marketing anywhere. I think what a lot of these xahoos (edited to fellow simmers) are missing out on is that when EA did their little arcade NASCAR game, I'm assuming they used a lot of in-house beta testers. Most of whom had probably never played NR03. Now I know NR03 has flaws, but at the time EA was designing NSR, it was teh best thing out there and if you're going to improve on the best thing out there, you have to have played the best thing out there.

The beta testers for ASR are either real racers and can provide feedback on realism or are well-versed in NR03 and know what improvements were needed there. Those two groups are essential in building a truly realistic stock car simulator. I don't understand why there are people who don't get that. This has never been done before. When I first read "no this is not a replacement to prior titles...instead it is the start of something new." I thought "yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just another stock car sim - we'll see if it's any good". But man, this has never been done before. Taking multiple real-life racers and getting their feedback and taking some of what I would call the "pros" of online stock car racing (not saying they're the best (though they may be) I'm just saying they have the kind of experience a "pro" would) is stinkin' genius. And opening yourself AND your beta testers up to the public is also genius.

Now for the xing-xong (again edited to fellow sim racer) that said he's turned off by all the negative responses, pay attention blondie (fellow sim racer)and pay attention good. The only negative responses on this board are coming from me and maybe one or two other NON-Sim Factory employees/testers who are frankly just sick and tired of ignoramuses (uninformed) coming on here and harassing the Sim Factory for more marketing, screenshtos and videos. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's their business plan and not yours. If you don't like, take a hike (maybe wait till later to purchase). They will get customers and I don't care (and they don't care) whether you are one of those customers or not (we care, just want you to be satisfied). They want people serious about online sim racing (not this AI garbage). I am serious about online sim racing and I'm buying the game on March 31 and my wife already knows not to expect to see me for a couple of days.***

*** - to tag off of someone else's post. I'm also a 32 year old father (11 month old boy with Prader-Willi Syndrome). I race online Thursday nights and am series director of our league's Busch Series. My wife and I actually communicate, so we sat down in the beginning and agreed how much time I will spend with my hobby each week and we've never had any issues. Occassionally I race more than normal and there are times when we have a week off. And she's cool with it cause I keep her informed![/i]

[Zippy]

Will the view be as adjustable as it is in rfactor?
I had been using 50 degree field of view in SCE for rfactor and was hoping to do the same here? If not Im sure it will be fine. Just asking as it would be really nice.

Thanks!

You'll find things decently adjustable to your liking, and in most cases more natively comfortable.

[Zippy]

PJ, I edited a few things in your response as I felt they could be taken out of context or unintentionally construed as thoughts of the Sim Factory.

:)

[PJ_MRD]

LOL no prob Zip. It is actually very important to me that EVERYONE knows that everything I say is my opinion and mine alone. While it is entirely possible that individuals from The Sim Factory may, at times, agree with my ramblings, it is just as likely that they think I'm a lunatic with itchy typing fingers.

The only reason I do what I do is because I have gotten iritated by people who are

A) not reading through the forums (or using the brilliant search tool) to see what questions have been asked and answered
B) asking for inconsequential things because they think it will aid in their purchase decision
C) contradicting themselves
D) generally using this forum for something other than asking questions about the sim itself or making comments/suggestions.
E) RuRa and Zippy haven't told me to shut up yet. (Which they are free to do at any time and I will immediately comply.)

[Zippy]

E) RuRa and Zippy haven't told me to shut up yet. (Which they are free to do at any time and I will immediately comply.)

thats your mommas job! :)